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Page repeatedly indexed but not in serps. Newer pages/other sites are?
Grinler




msg:712579
 12:39 pm on Mar 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

Is google broken? I have a page, that I should prob have high ranking in, that is not showing in the serps at all. It was created on March 25th. Within the first day there was approximately 120 unique inbound links. Yesterday when i checked there were about 350 inbound links.

It was indexed three times:

66.249.66.83 - - [26/Mar/2006:06:02:33 -0500] "GET /topic47826.html HTTP/1.1" 200 11670 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)"

66.249.64.27 - - [26/Mar/2006:10:58:56 -0500] "GET /topic47826.html HTTP/1.0" 200 48908 "-" "Googlebot/2.1 (+http://www.google.com/bot.html)"

66.249.66.83 - - [28/Mar/2006:00:36:35 -0500] "GET /topic47826.html HTTP/1.1" 200 13170 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)"

When I look at the serps for the keyword associated with this link, my page does not show, but a slew of pages that were created after my page was first indexed are showing.

As you can imagine I am baffled. Good inbound links, highly targetted article for this keyword, indexed 3 times, yet still not showing in the pages at all.

Even more frustrating 4 out of the 10 top serps for this keyword link back to my guide.

This concerns me as I was in supp help until about 2 weeks ago and this type of behaviour is the same thing that i was experiencing before that happened. Pages get indexed..never show in serps.

Anyone have any clues?

[edited by: tedster at 3:29 pm (utc) on Mar. 29, 2006]
[edit reason] removed some specific details [/edit]

 

freewebsiteideas




msg:712580
 12:07 am on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

Give it another day or two.

Grinler




msg:712581
 12:49 am on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well dont really have a choice but to wait...but does anyone else find it strange that pages that were indexed after mine made it in, but my page did not?

Is this just normal bizarre behaviour of google?

flashmastermak




msg:712582
 1:28 am on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

The google spider is sucking 2 gigs of bandwidth from one of my sites every day but listing only 500 of 20000 pages. Don't know what it's doing with all the info but it's not sharing.

steveb




msg:712583
 2:05 am on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

"When I look at the serps for the keyword associated with this link,"

Ranking is no way to judge "indexed". Whether it shows for a site: search or a "long string of unique text type" search is what to look for.

Demaestro




msg:712584
 2:13 am on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

Grinler have you tried submitting your site using Google Sitemaps?

www.google.com/webmasters/sitemaps/login

I had simlular problems and then I tried this tool and it gave me some feedback from what the bot saw and I was able to correct a few things and away I went.

What was happening to me is I was only getting 2 hits evey visit. 1 to my robots.txt and 1 to my home page.

Were you able to pin down what specific pages were hit and how many times per visit?

annej




msg:712585
 2:58 am on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have a new page that even briefly made it into the serps and did quite well. That lasted maybe 2 or 3 days then over a couple of days the page gradually disappeared from all the data centers.

This happened a few months ago as well and that page has only recently made it back in the serps.

Yet, like you, I've had other pages get in just fine.

Grinler




msg:712586
 3:40 am on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ranking is no way to judge "indexed". Whether it shows for a site: search or a "long string of unique text type" search is what to look for.

This is not about ranking..this is about not even being in the serps at all. The page was shown to be indexed 3 times ... see above. yet the page is not making it into the index, while pages on other sites that created after my pages were indexed by google are. Go figure.

Were you able to pin down what specific pages were hit and how many times per visit?

Yes I use sitemaps... updated daily and automatically ping google. I get many many hits from googlebot daily. So its not that the spider is hitting my site, but rather that this particular page is getting indexed but not making it into the serps.

Once again google indexed the page again today:

66.249.66.83 - - [29/Mar/2006:07:25:53 -0500] "GET /topic47826.html HTTP/1.1" 200 13603 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)"

Thats three hits now from the BD spider...once on the 26th, then the 28th, and now the 29th. Third time the charm? Hope so.

Seo1




msg:712587
 1:31 pm on Mar 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

Grinler Wrote
Is google broken? I have a page, that I should prob have high ranking in, that is not showing in the serps at all. It was created on March 25th. Within the first day there was approximately 120 unique inbound links. Yesterday when i checked there were about 350 inbound links.

When I look at the serps for the keyword associated with this link, my page does not show, but a slew of pages that were created after my page was first indexed are showing.

As you can imagine I am baffled. Good inbound links, highly targetted article for this keyword, indexed 3 times, yet still not showing in the pages at all.

Even more frustrating 4 out of the 10 top serps for this keyword link back to my guide.

This concerns me as I was in supp help until about 2 weeks ago and this type of behaviour is the same thing that i was experiencing before that happened. Pages get indexed..never show in serps.

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Grinler,

I believe you could find your answers in the fact that you are building links artifically and therefore filtered / penalized / sandboxed....whatever you want to call it.

In the mid 90s when the net was being built... most websites did not gather 100 links in a year....you managed to grab 100 in one day?

Next, Google does not update links that often, I found it takes them almost 10 weeks to update link counts due to others building artifical links...viscous cycle ...

In my eyes most webmaster keep hurting themselves more than anything Google is doing..

That's just my opinion though.

Peace

Grinler




msg:712588
 3:41 pm on Mar 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

I believe you could find your answers in the fact that you are building links artifically and therefore filtered / penalized / sandboxed....whatever you want to call it.

No offense, but you really should do a bit more research before making broad assumptions like that. If you did a little research you could have easily found the topic i am referring to and seen why it would travel so quickly around the net.


In the mid 90s when the net was being built... most websites did not gather 100 links in a year....you managed to grab 100 in one day?

Yes.

1. This is not the 90s. In the 90s blogs and rss were not nearly as popular and tightnit communities who spread the word about new and good content were not as developed. Therefore news did not travel as fast.

2. I guess you are unfamiliar with spyware and how quickly a new one can hit the internet community. A new rogue antispyware app was released...i wrote the first removal guide and let people know about it. The antimalware community is very close knit, and I have a good reputation in it, so now I had hundreds of people who are active on blogs, forums, and security sites posting about my guide.

Thousands of people were already infected, so when my guide cleaned them, they posted about it. When the antimalware community found someone with this infection they referred them to my guide. Therefore, yes, I had 100s of links in a very short time...quite legitimately.

It's a snowball effect and is actually, in my opinion, the most legitimate way a link should get indexed quickly and with high page rank.

Word of mouth due to high demand is unbeatable. That is before BD messed me up.


Next, Google does not update links that often, I found it takes them almost 10 weeks to update link counts due to others building artifical links...viscous cycle ...

Not sure what bearing this has on anything. A link that gets high exposure should get indexed and ranked quickly. It always has in the past.


That's just my opinion thoug

Guess your opinion was wrong in this particular case. As you like to say...I am a bit blunt at times.

annej




msg:712589
 4:56 pm on Mar 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

The pages I've lost this way are well researched and content rich articles so I don't think the penalty is just automatically generated articles.

I wonder if this is related to my question at [webmasterworld.com...]

If it is a sandbox style filter it is a subtle one. It could be they are just falling into some sort of Google glitch. It is discouraging though.

Seo1




msg:712590
 5:11 pm on Mar 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

Grinler

Guess your opinion was wrong in this particular case. As you like to say...I am a bit blunt at times.

Hmmm well I'll finish on this, you can guess I am wrong

I do not play by guesses though, my sites, and all of my clients sites say otherwise, no penalties ever and none of the BS you are going through.

Peace to you.

Sign me

Wrong?

Grinler




msg:712591
 5:22 pm on Mar 31, 2006 (gmt 0)

I do not play by guesses though, my sites, and all of my clients sites say otherwise, no penalties ever and none of the BS you are going through.

Maybe not guesses..but definitely assumptions.

I am glad that your clients are doing so well. It must be a testament for the depth of your knowledge. I wish I did not have these problems.

Once again, though, you are making the assumptions that this is a penalty issue. If it is a penalty issue it's a bug in the google algorithm for sites that legitimately get links very quickly. At the beginning of supp hell google confirmed I have no penalties on my site when I was dealing with a similar issue on a new guide.

If it is a sandbox style filter it is a subtle one. It could be they are just falling into some sort of Google glitch. It is discouraging though.

Its highly annoying...I agree. For me, I do not think this is a sandbox feature but part of this whole BD problem that so many people are having.

I had a similar guide I wrote, same situation, right before all supp hell broke loose. That guide would not enter the serps. The minute they fixed whatever they fixed for my site that got me out of supp hell, that guide was miraculously ranked #1.

I am just scared that whatever the prob is that is happening with BD affected sites is back in action again on me. Wish they would just explain what the problem is so we could correct our sites.

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