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Big Daddy Part 6
jdancing




msg:710327
 5:33 pm on Mar 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

It seems nearly all the data centers are showing some form of bigdaddy results now. I am not sure if there is a 100% bigdaddy/not bigdaddy distinction anymore.

The only two DCs I see that are showing different results are 216.239.59.104 and 66.249.87.104 and those results seem to be from late December, early January, at least in the sectors I monitor.

[edited by: tedster at 5:31 am (utc) on Mar. 25, 2006]

 

frakilk




msg:710417
 5:47 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Folks just to clarify again, I never stated that BD was completely rolled out. I simply quoted a line from jrs_66's post above me about BD being rolled out and added a 'humorous' comment to it. See msg #:22 in this thread. Sorry to be anal about it but I don't like to be misquoted ;)

bonneville




msg:710418
 5:54 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)


Huh!? Only 14 sites on [64.233.171.104...]
All other supplemental hell friends also have only 1-10 sites on this DC.

Thoughts?

Dawg




msg:710419
 6:00 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

The amount of pages doubled in comparison to standard Google.com DCs.

Looks good... Although still some pages are missing... (and still some supplemental stuff - but not that much)

g1smd




msg:710420
 8:13 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

A couple of datacentres have VERY different results to the rest. The new stuff appeared today.

Discussion at [webmasterworld.com...] and following pages.

marketingmagic




msg:710421
 8:28 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Where is Google pulling titles from lately?
We're ranked well for a particular KW but where they are pulling the title from has me completely stumped!

Normally its the META title, then the description is either from DMOZ, or the META, or from content.

In this case we don't even have the same words on the page thats listed, nor is it in the META tags.

Anyone have any ideas on where else they might be pulling this title from?

Jon_King




msg:710422
 8:48 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

OK, I'm a happy camper. I had a nice traffic site go awol quite a few months ago after a major site re-make.

Only 2 pages were indexed and a pot full of suplementals for the site.

Now it's the real deal, all supp's are gone and most new pages are in. Sweet.

Whitey




msg:710423
 8:58 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sorry to spoil the party. What I see on the DC's are:

1.when a site:xyz.com search shows no supplementals a corresponding "keyword" search shows those pages as supplemental

2. 2004 cached pages still frozen added to the previous pages that were frozen in 2005

3. No caching of pages receiving a 301 redirect

4. Only our homepage showing in results

Jon_King




msg:710424
 9:15 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I thought the same thing then I looked deeper into the results. I don't have reasonable rankings but they are indexed. The rest should follow, this is the first movement of any kind on this site in a while so I'm actually pretty happy about it.

Whitey




msg:710425
 9:29 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Things are happening :

One of the DC's is caching furiously pages from a site that previously went supplemental. All pages barr the homepage were receiving 301's from old pages

30,500 pages

10 mins later : 47,000 pages

...... but i don't trust a thing yet

....do you? :)

g1smd




msg:710426
 9:31 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I haven't trusted it for the last year or more.

Why start now?

Seo1




msg:710427
 9:39 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)


And with g1smds statement the thread should be locked as no truer words were said!

LOL I applaud you!

Whitey




msg:710428
 9:52 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

seo1 - i appreciate your sense of humour

.... it's like laughing while being flogged in the galley of a slave ship ... but it least it gives us the energy to keep trying

One day we'll break out ... i live in hope :)

.... sorry mods for being slightly off topic ...but i needed something to smile about

Seo1




msg:710429
 10:23 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Whitey

Thank you for the comment.

I'm glad to know there is at least one other as insane as I.

[edited by: tedster at 11:14 pm (utc) on Mar. 27, 2006]

Abigail




msg:710430
 10:48 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

The dark clouds are starting to part - I am climbing back into the index again, each hour starting this afternoon sees more data centers showing more pages not-supplemental - hopefully will soon see some traffic returning.

nedguy




msg:710431
 12:12 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

seo1 >>> "You may be one of the few webmasters with common sense and whom doesn't want to blame Google for their losses even though it's clear that was part of the problem

You have to remember Google will only send 40% or so of all traffic to websites,, Msn & Yahoo have the other 60% or so.

SEO your site for those two engines and you'll probably do as well if not better than with Google as Google conversion to sales is poor!"

-------------
By co-incidence, figures published today for SE usage in the UK during Feb show the significance of Yahoo, MSN et al to be rather lower than that...

Google 74.67%
Yahoo 9.30%
MSN 5.46%
AOL 4.21%
Ask 2.28%

Over the same period Google's supremacy was less in the USA (55.39%) and globally (62.4%).

So it may be better to put all your SEO eggs in the Google basket! The others won't make much difference. Not in the UK at least.

Seo1




msg:710432
 12:22 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I saw that as well almost an hour less than posting my other figures.

Only problem with that is how many designers developers webmasters etc are doing the same repeated searches on Google?

frakilk




msg:710433
 12:27 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

IMO the number of searches performed by webmasters/SEO practitioners/designers combined is dwarfed by the volume of Joe Public searches.

Seo1




msg:710434
 12:33 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

hmmm

Odd when 7 out of 10 people who ask what I do for a living have no clue what search engine marketing and search engines are in general.

That is what sticks out as a glaring issue with stats.

Sort of like New York City has over 1,000,000 registered bartenders...makes sense in the largest city in the US.

bigjohnt




msg:710435
 12:36 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am sure the "skew" is topic specific, and related to how competitive the term is, and how "optimized" the category is.
I would expect the skew for web/seo terms to be huge.

Whitey




msg:710436
 12:56 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

.... it's possibly on topic if what you are saying is webmaster's are searching more on Yahoo. Why wouldn't they? .... their Google traffic has dried up during this update

( I didn't read the article though )

.... and that will cause many of them to rethink their entire strategy and focus while the Big Daddy, supplemental thing continues, which may include Adsense and Adwords

.... surely this episode has the potential to disrupt Google's revenue from previous sites with good high rating content

johnhh




msg:710437
 1:05 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

".... it's like laughing while being flogged in the galley of a slave ship"

Until the captain decides to go water skiing!

I never believe too many statistics as you never know how they were prepared - normally by marketing people who get paid by someone.

IMHO I would say that Google has about 50-60% of the market share in practice.

security56




msg:710438
 1:18 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi all, I notice google nows shows instead of site.com it shows site.com/index.html first of all if anyone would be cool enough to tell me how come this happen cause I check all my pages and none has my site linking to home as site.com/index.html also i notice the my site is no longer number one :( since this happy.

Arrrrrrrrrr when will Big Daddy end lol

Thanks

BillyS




msg:710439
 2:44 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>Only problem with that is how many designers developers webmasters etc are doing the same repeated searches on Google?

I don't think those groups would be included in the statistics nedguy is showing. If they were, I suspect the numbers for Google would be much higher. It is certianly the SE that gets the most attention from webmasters - and for good reason.

nedguy




msg:710440
 10:50 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>> "I never believe too many statistics as you never know how they were prepared - normally by marketing people who get paid by someone."

Sorry Johnn. I don't feel comfortable quoting stats without attributing them to a source but the first time I did it on this forum I got edited out by a grown-up...

but if you stuck a .com on 'websidestory' you might the press release and methodology.

anna123




msg:710441
 11:20 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hello Security56 and all friends,

I have noticed the same thing too.

bobmark




msg:710442
 11:26 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

"It is certianly the SE that gets the most attention from webmasters - and for good reason."
I agree BillyS but there are a couple of reasons.

The obvious is that Google has 60-70% of the SE market.

The second is their arcane (and I think increasingly unworkable) ranking system means that you HAVE to put a lot of work into Google SERPs.

I get top 3 in MSN/Yahoo with honest pages and relevant content. With Google I have to work my a$$ off to ensure that I don't suffer in SERPs due to competitors' spamming and other techniques supposed to be against Google guidelines just to ensure those same honest pages aren't relegated to page 999 due to that famous "Google techno wizardry."

So yeah, we all work harder on Google because their deeply flawed system mneans we have to.

Seo1




msg:710443
 11:54 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

The good reason is debatable.

I can think of plenty of great reasons why a business shouldn't focus on just one search engine.

I will also say that for most Internet businesses, search engines will only drive 20% of the traffic to websites.

So where you find the other 80% is as important if not more than search engine results.

All this should be noted is my view and opinion which may not be shared by many.

broker_boy




msg:710444
 11:59 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

After 12 months in the cold - gradual improvement then BD killing me again....

IM BACK wooo rankings improving hourly

Volume through the roof!

Let the good times roll and Quedos to the Big G

Cheers,

BB

asher02




msg:710445
 12:01 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

"just to ensure those same honest pages aren't relegated to page 999 due to that famous "Google techno wizardry."

My problem these days is that Google can't decide who is the content owner. I had a well paid copywriter who wrote unique content for my site pages, a few days after a scraper site is showing for my content pushing me to omitted results...go figure...rrrr

Dayo_UK




msg:710446
 12:08 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

broker_boy

I can see that your site is now very well crawled, ordered correctly etc.

You are saying "Volume through the roof"

Does that mean traffic is comparable with a year or so ago - or just through the roof to a week/month ago?

Just wondering if there is still a way to go for your site before it would be termed compelely fixed :) - I am not seeing you top or ranking for all of your page titles - so I would have things are still moving - hopefully for the better. :)

Seo1




msg:710447
 12:55 pm on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)


"just to ensure those same honest pages aren't relegated to page 999 due to that famous "Google techno wizardry."

My problem these days is that Google can't decide who is the content owner. I had a well paid copywriter who wrote unique content for my site pages, a few days after a scraper site is showing for my content pushing me to omitted results...go figure...rrrr "

Sounds like the scraper was able to get your content indexed first due to having a higher PR link shooting into the site..... File a complaint (DMCA ) with Google Yahoo & MSN

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