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Google Datacenters Watch 2006-03-21
reseller

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Msg#: 33571 posted 7:25 am on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

The Survivors of BigDaddy :-)

Good morning Folks

It seems the following 3 remaining sets of "old" DCs refuse to be converted to BigDaddy!

[66.102.9.99...]
[66.102.9.104...]

[66.102.11.99...]
[66.102.11.104...]

[216.239.59.99...]
[216.239.59.104...]

Enjoy the look of the old infrastructure while its still there ;-)

[edited by: tedster at 7:40 am (utc) on Mar. 21, 2006]

 

Nick0r

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Msg#: 33571 posted 11:30 am on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

McMohan
>> Nick0r, do you think the amazing results you saw on Google.com was similar to what you see on [64.233.187.104?...]

That datacentre is definitely different to some others, but it's nothing like what I saw.

Ellio

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Msg#: 33571 posted 11:33 am on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

That DC is showing DMOZ title and description for us in a site: search. Very odd.

reseller

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Msg#: 33571 posted 12:37 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ellio

"That DC is showing DMOZ title and description for us in a site: search. Very odd."

Very odd indeed ;-)

msg#:94
[webmasterworld.com...]

Ellio

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Msg#: 33571 posted 3:19 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thank Reseller,

Anybody else seeing different results and pages returning on:

216.239.51.104 &

64.233.179.104 ?

RS_200_gto

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33571 posted 3:24 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

We are seeing double titles and URL's for each site!

RobinK

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33571 posted 3:26 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I just saw 86 pages go out of supplemental status on one datacenter and 96 on the other.

I am hoping this is a long awaited fix.

RobinK

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33571 posted 3:28 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Reseller,

also seeing the dmoz description on those datacenters you mentioned that are showing improved supplemental issues for us.

RobinK

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33571 posted 3:31 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I noticed yesterday on 64.233.179.104, that all our supplementals disappeared. We only had one page listed here and it was the home page with a current cache.

This is the datacenter that this morning shows 96 more pages with current cache's and out of supplemental. A lot of our other supplemental pages returned with old cache's here as well.

whatcartridge

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Msg#: 33571 posted 3:35 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am seeing on 64.233.185.104 all our old non-existant supplementals gone and nice fresh caches on the 100 pages we have indexed (although we have a long way to go getting the other 1500 pages indexed).

Another site which was in supplemental hell now has just the home page indexed, no supplementals.

No rubbish from our site on this one however I do notice quite spammy results for some keyword searches.

whatcartridge

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33571 posted 3:37 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I would just like to add - our 100 page site has the https version of our home page listed on 64.233.185.104 - ugghh!

reseller

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Msg#: 33571 posted 3:44 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

RobinK

"Reseller,

also seeing the dmoz description on those datacenters you mentioned that are showing improved supplemental issues for us."

As to improved supplemental issues, it sounds godt.

But I wish GoogleGuy or Matt Cutts tell us something about the "DMOZ" things.

Dayo_UK

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33571 posted 3:54 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Reseller

I think MC or GG has previously stated that they sometimes pull the DMOZ description as a test. Dont know if there is anything that significant in it.

On 64.233.185.104 there are some other intresting things going on.

For some sites that have had problems if you do an allinurl:www.domain.com search then you would probably get sites that have your url in there url above you and then your site would appear in the serps - possibly with an internal page being listed first (and sometimes second)

In this DC all the sites I have tested have the homepage as the first result for that site in an allinurl search - and often (not always) the first result in the serps.

Hard to explain without examples :(

Ellio

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33571 posted 4:00 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

64.233.185.104

We have no more supplementals in 64.233.185.104 but only the homepages listed as yet.

Odd behaviour from this one DC.

g1smd

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Msg#: 33571 posted 4:03 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

That is a truly whacky datacentre.

A keyword search that returns 20 results in BigDaddy (as it should) returns 46 000 on that one... but I can only see and access the first 16 results.

The 16 results do not include 16 of the 20 results seen in BD, but do include 12 results that are totally bizarre... not quite matching the search query.

It is all freshly cached stuff. I see supplemental results for pages that were not in the index before, but with cache dates within the last week.

g1smd

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Msg#: 33571 posted 4:30 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Some entries don't have a cache but the search results are from about a month ago. They reflect words that were on the page a month ago, but are no longer there now.

For many of the "way out" searches that I do, these results are waaaay different to anything that I have seen before. I see a lot of supplemental results. It is just very odd.

This is newly spidered stuff. For a forum moved domain in January, and 301'd to the new domain, Google only lists 6 pages from the old domain, and already has 15 000 from the new (of 40 000 total that exist?).

It looks like Google has thrown away some of their oldest "Supplemental Results" pages, but for searches that I expected to drop to zero results, they now return some other pages that I would not expect to see returned.

<edit> I see why I get some pages returned that I don't expect. It looks like when I search for green widgets the search is performed more like green OR widgets than green AND widgets.

g1smd

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Msg#: 33571 posted 4:53 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

[64.233.185.104...] -- this isn't an index built on old data with new crawl data added in.

This was a blank hard drive that has only been filled with new crawl data spidered in the last month or so, maybe two months.

gcc_llc

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33571 posted 4:59 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

That DC has all but removed my pages. I have 195 pages in there. Going from 800k to 195. Have to love that.

30k-50k bots per day yet I hasve 195 pages. Its getting to the point that I am just laughing now.

g1smd

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Msg#: 33571 posted 5:03 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes, I see an osCommerce site with only 200 pages instead of 10 000 showing, but have also seen that search result in other DCs too from time to time in the last few weeks. Sometimes I see 3500 pages for that site in other datacentres too.

Dayo_UK

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Msg#: 33571 posted 5:05 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>>>This was a blank hard drive that has only been filled with new crawl data spidered in the last month or so, maybe two months.

I would not go that far.

It is still possible to bring up old supplementals by doing certain searches. (I can find May 2005 supplementals)

dethfire

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33571 posted 5:06 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm stilling seeing problems with www and no www dup content

gcc_llc

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33571 posted 5:11 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

So in other words, we're all seeing problems :)

RobinK

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33571 posted 5:24 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ellio

That is the dc that yesterday just had homepage listed for us and no supplementals and then today 90 pages or so came back.

I would be curious if the same thing happens to you in the next few days. If it is the same as ours you will see some pages come back supplemental and some come back with current live cache's.

We had a huge crawl yesterday so I have my fingers crossed that the next time it updates we see a big improvement.

gcc_llc

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33571 posted 5:32 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Robin,

Same tihng happened to mine. I just realized that even though I am only showing 195 pages none are supplemental. The rest of the DC shows 26,000 pages and 99% are still supps but these new results, even though its about 1% of 1% of my total url's, shows zero supplemental and I did have a very deep crawl last week which did stop as of 3 days ago.

g1smd

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Msg#: 33571 posted 5:35 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I can still see a few July 2005 supplemental results if I look for them, but all the stuff going back to early 2004 has disappeared.

OK, now I look hard I can see some crawl data that is from late-July, or August, or early-September, like the cache used for some PDF files for example (they were updated in October).

Biggest change I see at the moment, is that the searches lean a little towards green OR widgets rather than green AND widgets.

Treatment of punctuation within a search query has changed, like when looking for an email address: the @ is now ignored.

[edited by: g1smd at 5:42 pm (utc) on Mar. 27, 2006]

Rainie

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Msg#: 33571 posted 5:42 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yeah gcc, seeing problems...

On DC 64.233.185.99, it shows my home page only. That is it. Also has the DMOZ description.

On 64.233.179.104, I'm out of supplemental hell, have cache dates from last week, still have the DMOZ description. My home page is back to being listed second. RobinK, do you see that at all on yours?

On the same DC, when I do the allinurl:, it shows many other sites linking to me, etc., but the only pages from my site are listed 25th and 26th, right before "In order to show you...repeat the search." Those two pages have been 404'd for about 6 months.

arubicus

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33571 posted 6:20 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

64.233.185.99 - Showing our homepage only (at least no sups)

64.233.179.104 - Shows homepage first but a mixture of supps and non supps. Non sups are recently crawled pages.

RobinK

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33571 posted 6:21 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Rainie

I see the same thing, just home page with dmoz listing on 99 and on 104 dmoz listing with pages out of supplemental.

Our home page is listed first on 104 as well, it used to always be listed 2nd.

I see the same thing on the 64.233.179.104 as I do on 216.239.51.104

RobinK

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33571 posted 6:25 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

when I do an all in url search for that dc we are not first but pretty close.

arubicus

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33571 posted 6:26 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Even though on 64.233.185.99 there is only the home page, if I do a site search and a keyword the supplementals WILL show up. In other words the supplemtal pages are still there just hidden.

RobinK

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33571 posted 6:33 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

arubicus

same thing here.

g1smd

WebmasterWorld Senior Member g1smd us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33571 posted 6:40 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Aww, crap.

Yet another "paper over the cracks" exercise rather than fixing it. Again.

I was really pleased to see that site:domain.com showed 300 pages, with all of them as non-www for a 300 page site, and that site:www.domain.com now showed zero results.

Then I tried site:www.domain.com "the" and I get 80 results again.

Grrr.

.

I see that my comment about this DC over at Matt Cutts blog was deleted within the hour.

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