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Google Datacenters Watch 2006-03-21
reseller




msg:709372
 7:25 am on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

The Survivors of BigDaddy :-)

Good morning Folks

It seems the following 3 remaining sets of "old" DCs refuse to be converted to BigDaddy!

[66.102.9.99...]
[66.102.9.104...]

[66.102.11.99...]
[66.102.11.104...]

[216.239.59.99...]
[216.239.59.104...]

Enjoy the look of the old infrastructure while its still there ;-)

[edited by: tedster at 7:40 am (utc) on Mar. 21, 2006]

 

textex




msg:709402
 8:26 pm on Mar 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

reseller...66.249.87.104 was a big doody I mean daddy.

g1smd




msg:709403
 2:10 am on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

So, 66.249.93.104 has reverted to non-BD for the last few hours.

.

Looking at BD results on other datacentres, I see no improvements in indexing, and all the Supplemental pages, phantom listings, and screw ups are still there, just as bad as they were 6 or 9 months ago.

reseller




msg:709404
 4:54 am on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

g1smd

"So, 66.249.93.104 has reverted to non-BD for the last few hours."

However, its a BigDaddy DC at this moment 6:02 am (GMT+1).

From what I'm reading of other posts. It seems that some DCs are swinging at present.. BigDaddy...Non-BigDaddy etc..

The only non-Bigdaddy DCs I see at this moment are:

[216.239.59.99...]
[216.239.59.104...]

But that could change as well at any moment ;-)

MLHmptn




msg:709405
 8:42 am on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

There are two datacenters that I have been watching closely of which are 64.233.187.99 and 64.233.187.104. Either these two datacenters have no filters applied to the results or I am dreaming that Google has fixed all it's problems. None of my sites suffer from SUPPLEMENTAL HELL on these two datacenters. Also I have not yet noticed a single SUPPLEMENT RESULT for any site in the results. I am wondering if this is the new BIG DADDY index with it's 64 bit architecture that we have been hearing about. Sure I've heard 64.233.179.104 is BIG DADDY for a few months now by way of MC's blogs and here at WebmasterWorld but these two datacenters look flawless and shows that supplemental hell is gone.

Pleas advise....And sorry if I highjacked this thread but didn't want to start a new thread when we are all still talking BD and the rollout of datacenters.

Google : If this is the new index I am amazed at how good the results actually are.....BD is surely reflected on these two datacenters with a little mix of something else that IMHO has increased the search quality dramatically.

Dayo_UK




msg:709406
 9:17 am on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

MLHmptn

I cant notice anything significantly different on those DCs - sites that I monitor that have Supplemental problems still do.

It does look like 216.239.59.*s are the only Non-Big Daddy DCs at the moment - although 66.249.87.*s is showing Big Daddy serps but has Non-Big Daddy cache.

MLHmptn




msg:709407
 9:31 am on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Dayo,

Interesting because I cannot find a supplemental result on either datacenter. Would you care to PM me what it is you are seeing? These two datacenters to me simply are an extension of BD but I dunno for sure. The results are definitely different. And also to add to thread about the 216.239.59.*'s being non BD it appears that way to me now too. It sure would be nice to see this BD finalize now after 3 months+.

ScottD




msg:709408
 9:52 am on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Our SERPS positions have taken a complete hit in the last couple of days. Is this BD rolling in, or is there another change going on? Are other seeing serious SERPs movements?

Optimus




msg:709409
 10:06 am on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

64.233.187.99 and 64.233.187.104 are still showing suplementals for one of my sites. However, search results are an improvement on BD. I notice that these two datacenters return quite different results for the plurals of a keyword1-keyword2 search - something the BD datacenters don't do on the terms I monitor.

Ellio




msg:709410
 10:17 am on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

There are two datacenters that I have been watching closely of which are 64.233.187.99 and 64.233.187.104. Either these two datacenters have no filters applied to the results or I am dreaming that Google has fixed all it's problems. None of my sites suffer from SUPPLEMENTAL HELL on these two datacenters. Also I have not yet noticed a single SUPPLEMENT RESULT for any site in the results. I am wondering if this is the new BIG DADDY index with it's 64 bit architecture that we have been hearing about. Sure I've heard 64.233.179.104 is BIG DADDY for a few months now by way of MC's blogs and here at WebmasterWorld but these two datacenters look flawless and shows that supplemental hell is gone.

No change for our "Club" site on these data centres. Definately no fix here.

MLHmptn




msg:709411
 10:18 am on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well Dayo just informed me of 2 urls' that are still supplemental even when the existing page is LIVE. Odd. I dunno what it is about these two dc's serps but something is awack on them.

Just Guessing




msg:709412
 10:27 am on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

What's your experience on how long it is taking for newly crawled pages to be added to the index on BD datacenters?

I am seeing my new pages added to the index on non-BD datcenters within a couple of days of being crawled, but taking 2 weeks or more to be added to the index on BD datacenters.

LuckyGuy




msg:709413
 2:39 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

There have been great serps over the weekend up to this morning. But now its all reverted. No i found lots of Dup Cont domains...
If its BD or non-BD we have to live with these serps....

Just Guessing




msg:709414
 10:28 pm on Mar 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Could it be that some datacenters no longer identify supplemental pages as "supplemental"? - even though they still rank just as badly and the cache fails to show.

Just guessing

McMohan




msg:709415
 5:10 am on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

64.233.187.104 does seem to be pretty interesting. I see some significant changes, for the keywords that I follow.

kamikaze Optimizer




msg:709416
 5:21 am on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

McMohan: That DC is showing THREE year old news articles for my main keyword (which has 70M results).

I would have to say that DC is a sick puppy right now.

mycutegoddess




msg:709417
 6:39 am on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

try this DCs for your main Keyword
216.239.59.98
216.239.59.99
216.239.59.103
64.233.183.104
216.239.59.104
216.239.59.105
64.233.183.107
216.239.59.107
216.239.59.147

These DC are what I'm looking closely, I think these are the results which are crawled lately. Please let us know what you think...
Thanks

steveb




msg:709418
 7:05 am on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

And a not so fond welcome back today to Supplementals removed with the URL removal tool six months ago and also redirected with a 301 that has been crawled at least 100 times since then.

How lovely of Google to still fondly remember and rank pages removed nearly three years ago....

reseller




msg:709419
 8:08 am on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

Inigo Talks BigDaddy :-)

Good morning Folks.

Sun...sun and much sun on Copenhagen this shining morning.

Our good friend at the plex Matt "Inigo" Cutts has just posted very interseting BigDaddy weather report:

"Bigdaddy status update: almost there

March 22, 2006 @ 11:55 pm

We’re down to just 1-2 data centers left in the switchover to Bigdaddy. It’s possible that the Bigdaddy switchover will be complete in the next week or two. Just as a reminder, Bigdaddy is a software upgrade to Google’s infrastructure that provides the framework for a lot of improvements to core search quality in the coming months (smarter redirect handling, improved canonicalization, etc.). A team of dedicated people has worked very hard on this change; props to them for the code, sweat, and hours they’ve put into it."

Thanks Inigo..much appreciated.

Hissingsid




msg:709420
 9:28 am on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi,

Having just gone through the list posted by Reseller here [webmasterworld.com...] the only DC range not BD now is (I think) 216.239.59.* .

Which is what I see by default. I'm just hoping that all of my potential customers are not seeing what I'm seeing.

Sid

petehall




msg:709421
 10:38 am on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

64.233.187.104 - bring it on!

I must be dreaming...

g1smd




msg:709422
 11:17 am on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> And a not so fond welcome back today to Supplementals removed with the URL removal tool six months ago and also redirected with a 301 that has been crawled at least 100 times since then. <<

>> A team of dedicated people has worked very hard on this change; props to them for the code, sweat, and hours they’ve put into it. <<

Makes me want to ask Google what they have actually done. They think they have achieved something (exactly what, I have no idea), but all I can see is the same old problems everywhere, problems that have been there for several years, and which Matt Cutts got everyones hopes up for a quick fix back last October-ish. Now, here we are in March and they are saying the fix is almost done, yet everything looks either the same, or much worse than it was.

It beggers belief. Just what are they smoking at the 'plex?

itloc




msg:709423
 11:20 am on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

g1smd

They probably smoke cached pages. LOTS OF IT! :-)

itloc

broker_boy




msg:709424
 12:58 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

I see newer better serps for me at 64.233.187.104 as well

however still in supp hell

Cheers,

BB

charliecon




msg:709425
 1:12 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

My sought after keyword combination on 64.233.187.104 places me at #2 just behind my competitor.
The other sites in the TOP 10 deserve their placing.

Any ideas of the status of this DC and whether it will ever likely to become default Google

frakilk




msg:709426
 2:02 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>> We’re down to just 1-2 data centers left in the switchover to Bigdaddy. It’s possible that the Bigdaddy switchover will be complete in the next week or two. Just as a reminder, Bigdaddy is a software upgrade to Google’s infrastructure that provides the framework for a lot of improvements to core search quality in the coming months (smarter redirect handling, improved canonicalization, etc.). A team of dedicated people has worked very hard on this change; props to them for the code, sweat, and hours they’ve put into it. <<<

Matt went out of his way to specify that BigDaddy is a software upgrade rather than a hardware upgrade. I wonder if this is in direct response to the 64-bit upgrade rumblings here?

He also mentions that the upgrade is to handle redirects, canonicalization, etc. Wasn't Jagger supposed to solve these problems or am I mistaken?

What do you reckon about the possibility that new software is loaded and ready to go on the existing infrastructure and that over the coming weeks it will be awoken bringing an end to crappy SERPs?

Dayo_UK




msg:709427
 2:08 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>>>Matt went out of his way to specify that BigDaddy is a software upgrade rather than a hardware upgrade. I wonder if this is in direct response to the 64-bit upgrade rumblings here?

GG denied it had anything to do with 64-bit upgrade in a post here.

>>>>He also mentions that the upgrade is to handle redirects, canonicalization, etc. Wasn't Jagger supposed to solve these problems or am I mistaken?

Yes, but then GG backed down on this claim.

>>>>What do you reckon about the possibility that new software is loaded and ready to go on the existing infrastructure and that over the coming weeks it will be awoken bringing an end to crappy SERPs?

Thats what I hope.

Although MC has always/still talks about Big Daddy infastructure. I would say/hope that the old data (PR, BL, etc) is still used with this new software/infastructure and that new PR, BL etc will be added based on what the new infastructure can do - eg Hopefully crawl destination urls in redirects and identify canonical issues better.

frakilk




msg:709428
 2:19 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

Actually I am getting quite excited to see what Google can pull out of the hat. I agree with you Dayo that it feels like at the moment there is new software working with mostly old data, which would possible cause the glitchy results we see now. It is likely working with a combination of old/new data (provided by Old GoogleBot/ Mozilla Googlebot respectively). I think once the old data is slowly 'discontinued' we will see the power of the new infrastructure.

I could be waaay of the bat here though.

Ellio




msg:709429
 2:46 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

More info from Matt Cutts blog:

Harith Said,
March 23, 2006 @ 12:04 am

Good morning Matt

Thanks for update and looking forwards for the new infrastructure.

Just to be sure. Did you say “improved canonicalization” in the coming months?

milius.net Said,
March 23, 2006 @ 12:12 am

“smarter redirect handling, improved canonicalization”
is there a way to get more technical details?

Matt Cutts Said,
March 23, 2006 @ 12:23 am

Harith, I did. milius, let’s get Bigdaddy out first and then we’ll start to talk about it more in the next few months.

Its starting to sound like Matt feels that the best is yet to come....

MLHmptn




msg:709430
 7:03 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

64.233.187.99 + .104

Is the sandbox just GONE on these two DC's or what? Filters removed or something because every single one of my sites is STYLIN in the Top 10.

lgn1




msg:709431
 8:54 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

Regarding 64.233.187.99 + .104

Searches for this category is very clean. All the major competitors in our niche market are in the top of the serps with little spam.

As a bonus, we moved up to position 9 from the hundreds.
We were in position 1 thru 4 before Florida and never recovered, until now.

I have a feeling that 64.233.187.99 + .104 has not been factored for off page factors like links. We never played the link game, and have concentrated on on-page factors and quality content, and have suffered as a result.

MLHmptn, do you have a high or low number of incoming links?

dodger




msg:709432
 9:16 pm on Mar 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't even know what canonicalization means (according to the rules? ) but I hope it includes getting rid of mirrors, I know a site that has 4 , and their traffic has gone through the roof at my expense.
Makes Google look quite sick when you see the same site with the .com and .net and 3 other extensions sometimes all on the first page of the SERP's

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