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December 27th Drop - was this Big Daddy?

 4:01 am on Mar 14, 2006 (gmt 0)


I know that something has happened on December 27th and have roamed the site trying to find information on what in fact it was.

I have been assuming that we got caught up in the Big Daddy update but we have not seen a drastic supplemental issue like so many others. I do believe we saw a lot of pages go supplemental but it didn't seem to last long.

Our site went from position #6 to the depths of Google hell 700+ at the end of December. Is this related to Big Daddy or are we going through something completely different? We still have not recovered and naturally thinking at this point we won't.

If anyone is going through the same:
- Drop in late December
- Cache updating then continually rolling back
- Number of pages indexed changing wildly
- Backlinks changing

Is this Big Daddy or something else? We are not a spam site so we are quite concerned. If anyone else went down around this time, have you recovered yet?

Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.



I am very sorry if I posted in the wrong spot. :/



 4:55 am on Mar 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

My site dropped on that date and spam is representing about 50-90% of the serps in my area now.

In my sector Google has cut off allinanchor intext and intitle to a large degree so much so that spam sites and 404's rank high in allinachor, text & title.

On march 8th my site returned for a few hours along with better serps and less redirects/spam/404's but serps returned back to the spam index soon after.


 1:15 pm on Mar 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

There was a "data refresh" on Dec. 27 (whatever that means). I also saw the drop on 12/27, the momentary return on 3/8, and then the drop again later that same day.


 2:07 pm on Mar 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have my fingers crossed, but I am still holding rankings fairly well since March 8th. Its way to early for me to say its going to stick. I think the next week or so will determine that. However, I can say that since March 8th, I am holding ranks and seeing small flux (+/- 1-3 positions).


 2:09 pm on Mar 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

MC - always denied that the change on the 27th had anything to do with Big Daddy.

It effected the Big Daddy (and Non Big Daddy) indexes. Just as this adjustment on the 8th seems to have effected both.

>>>I think the next week or so will determine that.

With about 4/5 of the DCs showing Big Daddy I guess the roll out could be complete in a week or so :) - then it might be a case of hold on to your hats time - or a case of :o - is that it ;)


 2:16 pm on Mar 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well, I have held my hat since December 27th and really think I might skate. Based soley on some obeservations about, sub domain spam, DMOZ types, and big shopping sites missing from page 1. However, I thought the same thing after J3, and I see where that got me :)


 2:29 pm on Mar 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi guys,

Thanks for responding..

What if your site partically went supplemental during this time but not drastically like most in the Big Daddy Supplemental Club?

I know we saw some of that a while back but we seemed to regain again quickly. Now all we see are the number of links change wildly from day to day. I just wish I knew if we were in the Big Daddy arena or if we are suffering something terribly different that isn't being worked on.

Our site actually suffered back in Feb/Mar 05 and then again May/Jun 05. Both of which times we returned in about 6 weeks. This time it's just dragging out so long we are losing hope.

Again, we don't do the hidden text crap, we are not a spam site... Why is Google hurting decent sites as well as spam sites! *sigh*



 7:16 pm on Mar 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

berrysharpie, welcome to the Dec 27th club. More exclusive than the Supplemental club but just as devastating. What's worse is that we don't have a GoogleGuy telling us that Google are aware of the issue and are resolving it. All we know is that a 'data refresh' took place on Dec 27th and supposedly wasn't related to BigDaddy.

White hat sites are being replaced by scrapers, 404s, subdomain spam, redirects and countless other offenders.
Google is a mess right now. I can only hope that all of this is temporary and that once BigDaddy has propogated we will see a clean up of all this crap.


 1:49 am on Mar 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

Dec 27 was part of a series that began Sept 22. Lots of sites were effected differently, most for the good on Dec 27, some for the bad.

It definitely has nothing to do with Big Daddy.


 1:57 am on Mar 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

So if we dropped on December 27th, rather than an improvement, we are in trouble?

This feels very discouraging....


 2:03 am on Mar 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

<<<Dec 27 was part of a series that began Sept 22. Lots of sites were effected differently, most for the good on Dec 27, some for the bad.

It definitely has nothing to do with Big Daddy. >>>

Well if that is true then Google just destroyed a sector on purpose with nonsensical sites that go aganist their own rules and guidelines.


 6:46 am on Mar 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

There was a data refresh on Dec 26th, this may have been the problem, but it had nothing to do with BD.
It's documented on MC's site somewhere.


 11:15 am on Mar 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

I dropped on 9/22, and then was terminated on 12/27. Google now delivers 1% of traffic.

The site has no supplemental problems or any discernible issues. The backlink count was greatly reduced, and now is climbing again. All the allinanchor: rankings died and so did the SERPS. This is a 10 year old domain with 100s of links from 1999 and before.


 4:49 am on Mar 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the responses...

Yeah.. I have heard about the data refresh on MC's site but it kind of just leaves us hanging. They can just do a refresh and obliterate perfectly good old sites and that's that I guess.

I believe it was in January or Feb when the founders were on tv for an interview. Said their motto was something like "Do no harm.." Uh huh..

I still see no changes...

Caching moving forward then rolling back.
Number of pages indexed still changing wildly.
Allinanchor still gone.

Since Big Daddy is the only concern and the damage done by the data refresh is unimportant apparently, I have lost hope. 3 months is very damaging on a small business as I am sure you all know... :(



 9:12 am on Mar 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

berrysharpie, I know exactly what you mean. I have 2 clients with sites that sell bikes. Both had top 10 ranking on important keywords. And suddenly one site drops completely out of the rankings.

Both sites are technically very much the same, and I can't figure out why one had dropped out of the rankings. There's no spam, no keyword stuffing, etc.

I'm out of options now and my client is pissed.

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