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Supplemental club: Big Daddy coming - Part 1
W'sup with google?
Crush




msg:723090
 6:43 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Carrying on from here:

[webmasterworld.com...]

and here

[webmasterworld.com...]

A lot of members are seeing huge sites going supplemental. One of our main sites lots all rankings and 200,000 + pages disappeared and now we are left with 19k useless results. This could be a goof or it could be a new round of penalties. If you have had your site reduced to the 'sup index lets here about it and compare notes.

 

SlyOldDog




msg:723300
 10:23 am on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

my site is not a forum and there is no dup. 220,000 pages.

schalk




msg:723301
 11:55 am on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

My site has over 30k pages, over the last week or so, I have seen these drop to about 5k. With all pages apart from home page going supplemental. We are a shopping site and have seen a big drop in hits. The problem has slowing been getting worse, since I presume big daddy is rolling out on more and more data centers.

I have been watching today and my full number of pages been switching in and out of the index, so I am wondering whether the problem is going away. I can see this happening on multiple DC's, even the original big daddy sites. Is any one else seeing this?

Did I read the googleguy post correctly in that Google acknowledge the problem, and things should return to normal within a week?

I surely hope so!

Dayo_UK




msg:723302
 12:09 pm on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

schalk

I am not seeing anything returning.

I am not sure if GG means that things will be back to normal within a week or whether they will correctly identify the issue within the week.

And whether pages will just return or pages will return after they have identified the necessary and after the next crawl.

GG - if you can elaborate great - otherwise we will just have to see what happens. :)

schalk




msg:723303
 12:32 pm on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

I noticed that more often than not all listings would show as supplemental, but if I keep hitting search after about 10 click it comes back. The frequency was quicker intially, but seems to be getting longer. Maybe this is not relevant, just clutching at straws to see what is going on.

I was also wonder about Google Site Maps. I don't use this at the moment, but have been wondering whether this is worth while, if it helps re index my site quicker.

So maybe another question for Google Guy , do we need a full reindex of the web site to ulitmately resolve?

Armi




msg:723304
 12:33 pm on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

@schalk

"I have been watching today and my full number of pages been switching in and out of the index"

Are you sure?

steveb




msg:723305
 12:35 pm on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

No general problem relating to supplementals has returned to normal ever.

This may be an exception, but I wouldn't bet the ranch on that.

Dayo_UK




msg:723306
 1:33 pm on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

It is not really a case of supplimentals returning to normal listing more of a case that Google has only indexed the homepage for a lot of sites so all is left are supplimental listings and the homepage.

I did not think that the indexing on Big Daddy was at full pace anyway - I assumed this was because it was still in testing stage - perhaps there was a deeper problem which hopefully will know get solved.

schalk - I think it was probably more likely that your query was not always hitting Big Daddy data.

[edited by: Dayo_UK at 1:40 pm (utc) on Mar. 5, 2006]

angiolo




msg:723307
 1:39 pm on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Steveb

> No general problem relating to supplementals has returned to normal ever.

Do you mean that having only the home page indexed and all the other supplementals is like a filter or a "ban"?

Do you think that there is no way to be reindexed?

GG said that is only a glitch...

schalk




msg:723308
 2:38 pm on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

If have been running my test on 66.249.93.104, which I believe is big daddy and I get the same result with my test site:example.co.uk

Sometime returns supplemental, other times returns full list of pages. More often than not its supplemental. For me this wasn't happening a few days ago, always returning supplemental.

I am getting the impression that big daddy is running on most DC serving the UK, since I seem to get the same results on any DC I try.

watercrazed




msg:723309
 4:32 pm on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

An update of my experince

Background BD- HP good all others supplemental, 3000 real pages 8000 in index, cache changed yesterday afternoon from june - Aug to hash code like MMNJLTot6sYJ:www.mydomain.com.

Current Status: late lastnight cache link is nolonger showing up on supplemental listings, default google is good, a no supplemental in first 1000 returns.

watercrazed




msg:723310
 5:06 pm on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

oops,

on, 64.233.179.104 back to mal formed urls with the www.mydomain.com//page.htm and a cache date of june-aug 2005

steveb




msg:723311
 9:17 pm on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Seeing yesterday some supplementals no longer hving a cache is the first even slighly positive sign in a couple years. Probably nothing, but still possibly a good sign.

Armi




msg:723312
 9:37 pm on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes, my Supplementals have also no cache.....

leeds1




msg:723313
 10:12 pm on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

same here - is this a good sign?

Vadim




msg:723314
 2:24 am on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

GG said that is only a glitch...

Yes, but what is the kind of glitch?

If they indeed introduced new filter to give the boost to original content compared with the derivatives (i.e. not duplicate filter but the filter for the content that is just the rewording of the content from the original site), many directory pages (except for the *main* directory page that is always original) may be erroneously marked as not trusted and go to the supplemental index, instead of just loosing the top position in the main index.

Also some sites with the original content, especially without sitemaps, could erroneously suffered as it always the case with the new filters.

If it is true only the pages with the original content will restore their position in the main index and most directories will continue to have just the main page on the top.

Vadim.

powerofeyes




msg:723315
 2:59 am on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Seeing yesterday some supplementals no longer hving a cache is the first even slighly positive sign in a couple years. Probably nothing, but still possibly a good sign.

SteveB, Think you are still confused what we are discussing in this thread. It is not about what the old supplement results problem. Its a very recent problem which happened around FEB 21st where 1000s and 1000s of legitimate sites lost all their pages except their homepage.

It seems google has been testing some canonical issues with the homepage of lots of sites and in this event dropped all the legitimate pages while only the supplementary pages remain. If you wan't examples i can PM you lot of them.

I hate to see some people posting lots of crappy theories here. This is just a problem with google. Googleguy virtually agreed on this and expected things to comeback to normal in a week or two. But still people keep posting lot of virtually theories they dreamed the day before.

steveb




msg:723316
 8:36 am on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Uh, I'm not confused. You seem to have a tunnelvision problem.

FYI, Big Daddy promises significant changes in the way things are handled. Lots of things may be symptons of that.

Wibfision




msg:723317
 8:41 am on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Vadim, my site is 100% handwritten unique content and it is sadly suffering from the BD supplemental problem, as I'm sure are thousands of others. I think you are incorrect in your assertion that it is some kind of duplicate content filter - Googleguy himself has stated that it is an indexing problem which should be sorted out soon.

powerofeyes




msg:723318
 8:46 am on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

FYI, Big Daddy promises significant changes in the way things are handled. Lots of things may be symptons of that.

Agreed. Was a bit disappointed by some other peoples theories here.

kartiksh




msg:723319
 9:36 am on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

WHAT! - I am in the club and not even supllimental results! Just
Sorry, no information is available for the URL
This is 5 year old site.

Where are you hobbs, now i know what it feels ;-)

{all doubts clear, yes it was typo error searching with site: ohhh..}

Dayo_UK




msg:723320
 9:41 am on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Vadim, my site is 100% handwritten unique content and it is sadly suffering from the BD supplemental problem

Wibfision

I would not worry about trying to convince a fellow poster - some people have their own agenda and dont read or take notice of other peoples posts.

As long as GG and Google know the situation.

percentages




msg:723321
 9:53 am on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

>The key thing to remember is that BigDaddy is being deployed to resolve canonical problems.

As per post #123 anyone believe that now?

It looks like a simple "Google Glitch", not a failing in the theory, but, a failing in the implementation.

If this had ever been a canonical problem, that Google attempted to solve in this manner, I would have zero faith in them forever more.

I can live with the GG "glitch" theory. We all make mistakes, just wish Google would have a better test environment to reduce them......but, I've said that a hundred times before ;)

Jakpot




msg:723322
 10:22 am on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

"Its a very recent problem which happened around FEB 21st where 1000s and 1000s of legitimate sites lost all their pages except their homepage."
*****************************************

It isn't a very recent problem. It just very recently
(around FEB 21st )spread out to encompass a lot more websites.
There have been discussions on the threads regards
supplementals for over a year.

< continued: [webmasterworld.com...] >

[edited by: tedster at 6:45 pm (utc) on Mar. 6, 2006]

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