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How to rank #1 in google?
waiman39hk




msg:715735
 7:44 am on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

What's the most important point to rank #1 in google, link development?

My site is doing ok in yahoo. Now I decide to make it more popular by ranking good in google. But it is really hard and I found it quite difficult to determine the effect of my changes, as the result comes slow.

Any suggestions?

 

grandpa




msg:715736
 8:48 am on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

the most important point to rank #1 in google

I'm in that club, so let me tell you what I did in a general way. There was some link development. I doubt that was as effective as other things. Develop your pages for your visitors. Adhere to common standards where applicable. This could include site navigation, accessability and usability standards, document validation, and more. Apply effective SEO techniques. Avoid known black hat SEO techniques. The number one spot is often an authority, become an authority.

I would say the most important point to rank #1 is to focus my attention on individual pages, thus developing a better site. Each page has a standard to meet, whether that page is fully dynamic or is completely hand styled.

phantombookman




msg:715737
 9:23 am on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Any suggestions?

Get more and better links than the sites above you.
That is all you need to know

Sweeets




msg:715738
 1:14 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi

You have asked a pretty big question!

But remember three main things:

1.Accessibility - is your site easy for the spiders to crawl?

2.Credibility - how many sites link to you? Google view each link as a vote of confidence. Are you a credible site with lots of votes of confidence from related sites?

3.Relevance - Is your copy relevant to the phrases you wish to rank well for? Make sure you have the right informaton in the right place.

Links are VERY important to ranking. But so is relevant content and site accessibilty. You won't rank well unless you have all three.

Rachel

claus




msg:715739
 1:21 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> How to rank #1 in google?

Pretty simple question. Are you sure that you're asking the right one?

The answer is equally simple: Build the best site, as perceived by Google.

Wizard




msg:715740
 5:11 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

The answer is equally simple: Build the best site, as perceived by Google.

Exactly, I completely agree. When I think how to improve my site, I start to think what Googlers say about values of a site they find important. And what all other users would find valuable. I try to meet these expectations, link from authority sites, and often it leads my pages to #1 or top 10 of SERPs.

Jamie_uk




msg:715741
 5:19 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

How to rank #1;

Patience, time and a burning desire to learn all the time.

soapystar




msg:715742
 5:43 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

to rank number one?

that alone to me suggests the total lack of energy needed for the passion of the task involved. Ranking number one is a meaningless statement. To rank number one for something somebody has to search for it to start with. There are no league tables for google. So if you havent even got to the point of asking how do i rank for this phrase or this sector and subject then nobody can really help you.

Perhaps the most useful thing to take on board with Google is the word 'organic'.

also how long do you want to rank for....a quick fix and the long term require different approaches and levels of patience....

ulysee




msg:715743
 6:00 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Wait 1-2 years develope your site build links and maybe Google will rank you eventually. Wait another year or two for the keyword filters to let up on your site and then if your still running the site and you are not bankrupt maybe then you will get the number 1 spot.

If your site is out of the sandbox then it will be pure luck to get a #1 rank in Google depending upon the popularity of the keyword your going after.

Google has too many filters and is anti-seo so good luck....

jenkers




msg:715744
 6:10 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

choose a phrase that nobody else is targetting. Register a domain with that phrase in. Build a page that targets that phrase with title, headings and natural language copy including similar praseology and synonyms, also use stemming and pluralisations if possible. Get a link in with the phrase in the anchor text so you get spidered. Hey presto - you'll be #1.

afterburner




msg:715745
 6:10 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

If anyone knew exactly how to rank #1 on google the last thing they would do is tell everyone else how to do it. You just have get roll up your sleeves and work hard.

zafile




msg:715746
 7:08 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

And don't forget Brett's classic "Successful Site in 12 Months with Google Alone"

[webmasterworld.com...]

FromRocky




msg:715747
 7:30 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

How to rank #1 in google?

Avoid to rank #1 in MSN and/or Yahoo!

grandpa




msg:715748
 8:16 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

afterburner, I have to take exception to your statement..
if anyone knew exactly how to rank #1 on google the last thing they would do is tell everyone else how to do it.
Why? Because anything that I've learned about being a webmaster was discovered here at WebmasterWorld.

The truth is that many people have willingly and freely shared the secrets that have allowed me to not only gain, but to hold that coveted spot for some time. Nothing personal, but the answer that waiman39hk seeks is in this thread. It is not feasible to focus on only one discipline (link building) and expect to achieve the results. I'm not saying it can't happen, but staying at the top spot takes more... ie, roll up your sleeves and work hard

wanna_learn




msg:715749
 8:29 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think the correct question should be
"How do I rank #1 in google and SUSTAIN IT".

moTi




msg:715750
 8:45 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

have to throw something in:

be the first to rank for that keyword(s), not accidentally, but aimed.

how about this one? ;)

leapforward




msg:715751
 9:23 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

In order to be #1, you should deserve to be #1, otherwise your ranking has been artificially inflated and will likely be deflated soon after reaching #1.

Search Engine ranking is relative to the others in your space. My advice to you (in order of importance):

1. Make your site better than all others in your space.
2. Get other people in your space to link to you.
3. On an ongoing basis, continue to make your site better than everyone else in your space. (This should help you keep your #1 ranking)

bekyed




msg:715752
 11:28 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

"a phrase that nobody else is targetting. Register a domain with that phrase in. Build a page that targets that phrase with title, headings and natural language copy including similar praseology and synonyms, also use stemming and pluralisations if possible. Get a link in with the phrase in the anchor text so you get spidered. Hey presto - you'll be #1.

I agree.
We do very well with our website
www.elephantsinpinkpajamas.com
;)

Wanna learn, you my friend are spot on.
It is duration that counts especially in unpredictable engines like google, your site needs to survive the ups and downs, mostly downs the way things are changing.
Perseverence will get you there in the end.

Beck

LifeinAsia




msg:715753
 11:33 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

We do very well with our website
www.elephantsinpinkpajamas.com

I Googled "elephants in pink pajamas" and couldn't find your site. You need to fire your SEO staff! :)

bekyed




msg:715754
 11:35 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes, i think thet are using cloaking tactics but have not taken off the cloak doh!

;)

beck.

billk89




msg:715755
 11:37 pm on Feb 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

"Keyword domains are out"
I wonder where that guy got that info.

Keyword domains are Hot and allways will be.

annej




msg:715756
 12:38 am on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Pretty simple question. Are you sure that you're asking the right one?

I think the better question is how to get every page on your site to rank in the top 5 for a variety of related search phrases.

Look at your site stats. If your site is extensive you will find that just a fraction of your visitors come in through a search that includes key words for your homepage. Instead you will find people found your site through thousands of search words and phrases that brought them to a great variety of pages on your site.

Don't spend all your time working on getting your home page #1. Work on your site as a whole.

zafile




msg:715757
 1:55 am on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

annej, thank you for summarizing a key factor on winning the search engine wars.

Brett wrote "find the core set of keywords for your topic area."

Diversify your keywords and you'll do OK.

Rollo




msg:715758
 2:08 am on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

How to be #1 in Google? Build a useful informative site, do some solid white hat SEO and WAIT. Age is an increasingly important factor.

tedster




msg:715759
 2:40 am on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

One of the sites I manage gave me three principal keywords they hoped to rank for. Well, we did OK on two of them -- #1 and #8 right now. The third keyword was the general one-word category name, and they are quite buried on that SERP.

However, this 1,800 page site now gets traffic from over 500 different two and three word searches every week, and it is thriving. Most of those "secondary" phrases hold a #1 or #2 -- but with every update some go up and some go down. And the important thing is that these secondary keywords bring in most of the sales, and not the more obvious targets.

As others have mentioned above, I think that is a healthy situation, because that is a sustainable situation. But we didn't achieve it right out of the starting gate. We did our best in the beginning, of course, but then watched our server logs. More and more we worked on those pages that were already being found on some phrase or other -- or even created new pages that were more focused on this or that phrase.

In other words, we let the market tell us what most of those secondary keywords should be. Server logs are the best place to do keyword research I've ever found. And it gives you something to do while you're waiting for time to pass.

annej




msg:715760
 4:40 am on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

It's feels great to have my homepage ranking in the top 5 (both goog and IE) on a highly competitive key word. But, it only brings in about 6% of my visitors. Face it, people use more than one word in most searches.

The rest of my visitors come in through thousands of search phrases. It's mindboggling really.

Wizard




msg:715761
 7:18 am on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

That's the point - my main site was designed this way from the beginning - to let deep pages rank for their particular keywords. Even if the site is in top 5 for its main keyphrase, only 5% of Google referers comes from it (and Google generates 40% of the traffic). Other keywords doesn't always rank in top 5 but they are exactly what my users are looking for.

CainIV




msg:715762
 7:40 am on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Listen to Grampa, he knows what he's talking about! Olschool wins hands down.

Cainer

Simsi




msg:715763
 7:40 am on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Keyword domains are Hot and allways will be.

I have to disagree (on the longer-term prognosis) unless the keyword domain is memorable. Time will come when all search engines can judge a site's relevance based on more relevant factors. Keyword domains and links will become less and less important as time goes on.

Its not rocket science to work out that a link doesn't mean the linked site is relevant. Just means someones arranged something with someone somewhere half the time.

Likewise with keyword domains. $5 and you have bluewidgetsalesuk.com - then person b has bluewidgetssalesuk.com and guy c buys bluewidgetssaleuk.com etc etc. Aside from confusing the hell out of consumers, it won't always mean they all get great SERPS.

Sure - right now, both factors can inflate your ranking at most SE's. But its short-term...just don't employ ppl on the back of it!

Personally i think the future lies in user behaviour and consequently your content. EG: SERPS are returned, user clicks #1, comes back and clicks #2 then is never seen by Google after that. #2 picks up brownie points, #1 loses them - obviously a way simplified version but you get the idea.

Cheers

Simsi

[edited by: Simsi at 7:43 am (utc) on Feb. 28, 2006]

zafile




msg:715764
 7:42 am on Feb 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Another tip to rank high on Google's SERPs.

Don't copy content from other Web sites to use on yours.

And if you don't have any ideas to build your content, then become an intelligent good artist.

Remember what Steve Jobs said in 1996: "I mean Picasso had a saying he said good artists copy great artists steal. And we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas ehm ..."

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