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Google Datacenters Watch 2006-02-21
Observations, Analysis and Remarks
frakilk

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 2:11 pm on Feb 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Current BigDaddy status from what I can see:

- BD is visible on (using 'sf giants' test)
64.233.161.99
64.233.161.104
64.233.161.105
64.233.161.147
64.233.171.99
64.233.171.104
64.233.171.105
64.233.171.147
64.233.179.104
64.233.185.104
64.233.187.104
66.249.93.104
216.239.37.99
216.239.37.104
216.239.39.99
216.239.39.104

That is around 1/3 of datacenters listed on the McDar tool (I think).

- For me at least BD is returning a significantly lower number of indexed pages.
- BD index is still clogged full of scrapers, doorways and 404s. Meanwhile the sites sticking by the guidelines are getting trounced.

Google puzzle me.

[edited by: tedster at 6:01 am (utc) on Nov. 8, 2006]
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locoblade

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 11:42 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

HAve been having a look at my site, all the latest pages that i have submitted and previuosly had indexed are all gone in big daddy it seems like they have removed all pages from my site that where added after sept 2005. Including a whole new section. All older pages remain the same. Non Big daddy all older site pages still indexed and get page one results. Has anyone else seen the same?

Armi

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 11:51 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

@locoblade

Yes! Exactly the same!

Dayo_UK

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 11:58 am on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

locoblade

I have a new site that was launched after Sept 2005 that is fully indexed in BD - so that does not fit that pattern - although new sites might be effected differently.

Apart from that - then yes, all newly indexed pages have been removed from the serps.

Lots of old supplimentals have been added back in - pointless IMO.

I suppose from my point of view it does not change things much - a big reindexing is still desperately required - but this latest action by Google does not fill me with any hope.

Liane

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 12:04 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

On my usual Google ... all pages are indexed and links in have not changed. I have added at least 20 pages since the end of December and all have been indexed and added to regular Google.

All this talk about "Google is broken" is premature nonsense. Has big daddy been rolled out yet? Has Matt or anyone else (qualified to do so) stated categorically that BD is live on any specific DC for the past few weeks?

No. So stop panicking! This is not your Google Dance of the days of yore where we could watch Google 1,2,or 3 and get a pretty good idea of the coming attractions. This process is much more complicated than that!

The new infrastructure is a whole new deal and until all the data has been shuffled, reshuffled, and shuffled some more, nobody can say with any kind of certainty exactly what the Big Daddy DC's are doing from one minute to the next. I look at the so called Big Daddy DC's as a bunch of red herrings. If I were Google, I would do it exactly the same way ... and at the last minute before the roll out, after all the DC's have all the same ingredients, I would throw the switch (when I am good and ready) and add the very last ingredient across the board.

So, my advice to all those currently in a state of panic is wait until ALL the DC's are showing what you think are Big Daddy results ... and then sit back and watch the "real Google dance"!

Right now, you may as well be watching a one armed bandit spinning cherries, lemons and apples! :)

Dayo_UK

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 12:10 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Liane

Yes, fair enough, Big Daddy may well have a lot of changes to come.

However, it is now hitting 50-60% of the DCs from my monitoring - so Google must be happy with the results IMO for so many searches to go to the Big Daddy datacenters - and they are clearly in rotation.

MC is talking about another 6 weeks for the roll out and with Big Daddy being used more and more as time goes on.

Yes, changes may happen and we have been told that they probably will - but for now Google must be satisfied with the Big Daddy results - at least enough for them to be in use.

For now Big Daddy does not feel me with any hope - but we will see in time.

locoblade

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 12:37 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Liane, "On my usual Google ... all pages are indexed and links in have not changed. I have added at least 20 pages since the end of December and all have been indexed and added to regular Google"

The deindexed pages i have still exist and are getting page one results in the non big daddy dc's (regular google)

The problem i have with the whole thing is that why is google sticking big dadddy dcs into search results and presenting users with the big daddy rubbish. Do the work in the background away from the public eye. Keep your reputation safe.

Carpy

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 12:39 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

My site is going in and out of google on a regular basis.

However when is check the datacenter:

[64.233.179.104...] and [66.249.93.104...]
im in top position.

My site is 6 years old and always held top position for one phrase. But at the moment it appears it is not in the normal results at all?

I have made no changes, and use white hat techniques.
Do you think i should worry, or will the above datacenters roll across all others?

Crush

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 12:55 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Carpy, same position here my friend.

Do a search site: mydomain.com and see if your pages are being cached or if they are supplemental reults. We have 234,000 pages that have gone.

ddem1

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 1:05 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

hmm my site is 3 months old with google only indexing my pages but not gathering all the quality back links I have. So hoping this update will also make improvement to my ranking in google.

colin_h



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 1:10 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Everyone is making it sound as if they have a choice in what results google choose to turn out. Watching and dreading these results has no positive outcome, you're just going to drive yourselves into an early grave.

I tend to agree with Liane, let's wait and see ... in reality it's all we can do.

Carpy

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 1:16 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Crush:

I do a site: and all my pages are indexed except for the homepage?

Crush

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 1:41 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Had that one before. We got the opposite though. I would not worry if all you pages are being indexed.It should come back in time.

leeds1

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 2:53 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

carpy

I have just noticed the same for my site

on BD - loads of really old cache and all supplementals

I'm not ranking for anything

Site is 6 years old

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!1

Crush

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 2:56 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

leeds1- Welcome to the Sup club. Sorry to hear you are in supplemental hell.

leeds1

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 2:58 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

hey thanks

I really don't understand it

I have a really big forum, so semi auto generated content - all gone - 100k pages

Other auto generated pages *gone*

(trend maybe?)

and that has deleted all my regular pages

thing is, the pages that are supps are like cached dates of 2004 - really odd.....

Crush

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 3:18 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Same here, cache from July 17th, 2005. G must have f'ed up this time. Half the data centres we still showing up. Check out if it is the same.

locoblade

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 3:20 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Colin_H "I tend to agree with Liane, let's wait and see ... in reality it's all we can do"

How long?

Its a bit like seeing a car crash you know shouldn't look but you have too.

All my sies are commercial and internet traffic means 's as im sure it does to lots of other people. This week we have lost a significant amount of business already, because Google has removed pages from my site. Big Daddy needs to sort lots of issues for sure, but dont stick the big daddy dc's in the rotation until its ready surely!

Crush

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 3:24 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

locoblade: Seeing your site go supplemental is not a cool thing. I have sites in the supplemental index from years ago. They have never returned. I am hoping it is a glitch but have read about steveb's hell and how difficult it is to get back. Maybe a knee jerk in this thread but still we got the right to discuss, especially when we are losing big $$$.

leeds1

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 3:27 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

just have my index page in BD Dcs

rest are supps with a cache of 26 Jul 2005

index page is still ranking #1 for its terms

really odd

Armi

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 3:35 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have written to Google.

Everbody who has lost his pages on Bigdaddy (except main page and Supplementals) should also write to Google. Please tell Google your URL. Perhaps we can find something out.

So it works:

[google.com...]

Filling out form. Google gives an e-mail back with references to the general guide lines. If one has a secondary problem, one shall respond to the e-mail with the request.

locoblade

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 3:39 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Crush, "Seeing your site go supplemental is not a cool thing"

My whole site has not gone supplemental, google has dropped from my site 160 pages. On non big daddy dc's they exist and rank first page, on big daddy they are not included in the results at all i.e. no results returned.

All other pages in my site exist and rank well in both non big daddy dc's and big daddy.

Crush

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 3:40 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

locoblade- heh, welcome then :)

Dayo_UK

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 3:47 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Armi

Let us know if you get a reply - I have tried to speak to Google before using that method but no success.

It could just be a restructuring of data before a big crawl takes place or something - that is the annoying thing - we just dont know.

Liane and Colin_h must be optomistic by nature - I am normally pessimistic - as I have seen Google fail so many times in correcting canonical and hijack issues.

Armi

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 3:56 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

@Dayo_UK

"I have tried to speak to Google before using that method but no success."

I also....but there is no reason to try this not again!

bobmark

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 3:57 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

There are several different versions (flavours?) of BD at present. I can search BD datacentres and find at least 2 different indexes with page counts differing by 20%.

On top of that the main (whatever that is) index is substantially different again.

In Canada - or the part of Canada I am in - Google uses what I think (thought?) was the new index and PR from mid-afternoon to early morning, then switches/routes/whatever to a very old index also with very old PR from mid-morning to mid-afternoon. No idea why but this has been consistent for the past week or so and I know an earlier poster - dunno their geo location - mentioned the same thing happening for where he is.

I am able to track this quite easily as the "new" index and PR for my site (the one that appeared about FEB-15) reflects major changes I made in the past three months so its very easy to spot new vs old. I see one BD with about an August 31 index and one with somthing maybe 45-60 days old.

Are we gonna see some merging of the 3 (or more) indexes sometime soon with unpredicatable results?

ScottD

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 4:17 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Are we gonna see some merging of the 3 (or more) indexes sometime soon with unpredicatable results?

Thats exactly what I expect to see - not just a simple imposition of BD, but a merging of the new infrastructure with the old (ie present) data.

It should be quite a ride!

colin_h



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 4:27 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Locoblade,

You have my sympathies as I lost 6 months of income last year, had to lay off people and eventually sold up. All I'm trying to say is that stewing over the serps will have no effect on google ... nothing we do ever does. Take some advice from someone who wasted six months of his life last year ... go out, get wasted, anything but keep refreshing those screens to see if anything has changed ... it's a waste of life and that's very precious.

oh ... and definately don't pay any attention to those jerks who tell you that you shouldn't rely on google for business ... they do it every time someone gets hurt and they're just sadistic nutters.

All the best

Col :-)

Eazygoin

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 4:33 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

oh ... and definately don't pay any attention to those jerks who tell you that you shouldn't rely on google for business ... they do it every time someone gets hurt and they're just sadistic nutters.

Rather harsh words Colin, as everyone is entitled
to their opinion :-)

Google, yes, is an important part in any online business, but there are other opportunities out there, and I think people have suggested that perhaps it is best to not put all ones eggs in one basket. But then again, maybe I am a jerk :-)

rookiecrd1

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 4:34 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have seen about 80% of my pages come back into being indexed in BD after a major drop, but now they rank terribly for the most part. Should I panic or could my Placement move up?

It was weird, at first my total pages index dropped 90% but the pages that were there were ranking extremely high. Now that most pages are back they are for the most part ranking terribly. Has me a little concerned. I have a 4 year old site which seems to be an authority site. I am just a bit rattled.

Armi

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 4:36 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

@rookiecrd1

"I have seen about 80% of my pages come back into being indexed in BD after a major drop"

When did you lost the pages and when they came back?

curlykarl

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 33257 posted 4:37 pm on Mar 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

don't pay any attention to those jerks who tell you that you shouldn't rely on google for business

By the sounds of it you should of listened :)

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