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Pagerank queries - the <rk> parameter
What do such figures as Rank_1:1:6 Rank_1:1:5 mean?
selomelo




msg:757461
 10:10 pm on Feb 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

We already know that toolbar PR is in fact an historical figure. When you query google for current PR, you get some mysterious figures such as:

Rank_1:1:6 Rank_1:1:5 Rank_1:1:4 Rank_1:1:4 Rank_1:1:5 Rank_1:1:6 Rank_1:1:5 Rank_1:1:0 Rank_1:1:1 Rank_1:1:5 Rank_1:1:2 Rank_1:1:3 Rank_1:1:0 Rank_1:1:0 Rank_1:1:3

These figures are for a site that has a current toolbar of PR4.

I searched the web for an explanation, but failed to get a good one.

Is there any idea as to what all these magical numbers mean?

 

rkhare




msg:757462
 7:32 am on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

how to query google for PR?

ansible




msg:757463
 10:00 am on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Like this:

[66.249.93.99...]

trillianjedi




msg:757464
 10:52 am on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Interesting find.

Where does this figure come from:-

ch=61430512534

What was the original search?

TJ

selomelo




msg:757465
 11:14 am on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Where does this figure come from:-

I am far from being an expert, but as far as I read, this is the checksum associated to the url in question.

miedmark




msg:757466
 1:48 pm on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

I tried replacing the url with my own - error=forbidden. What is this?

arran




msg:757467
 2:32 pm on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Maybe the q={URL} has to match the referrer domain.

Where did this come from? It seems a little obscure to add "feature=rank" to a query. I've never heard of this. More details please before google patch this up on Monday... :)

selomelo




msg:757468
 3:01 pm on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

I tried replacing the url with my own - error=forbidden. What is this?

The number in question is unique to each page. That is to say, each and every page has its own magic number (checksum). To make the query with yourdomain, you need to know this number.
There are some free pages that offer PR prediction, etc. For example, search google for "pagerank prediction"

arran




msg:757469
 4:03 pm on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

2 questions:

- How did you get the checksum for webmasterworld.com?
- Where did "function=rank" come from?

arran.

texasville




msg:757470
 4:56 pm on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Two things:
I tried to use the pr predictors and can't find how they provide the checksums. How did you get that particular number for ww.
Second: I sure wish those pr predictors were even close to accurate. I have never gotten an accurate pr update thru them. Good for a chuckle.

moftary




msg:757471
 4:58 pm on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

as far as I believe this was taken from a pagerank checker PHP script.

Eazygoin




msg:757472
 5:18 pm on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Nope folks, its easy to get....just check on iwebtool and when the results come through, click on 'check' next to the new PR, and the URL that pops up has it there for you, in shining armour, in the address bar!

texasville




msg:757473
 6:05 pm on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Cool. done that. now if we could just figure out what the datas mean.

moltar




msg:757474
 6:10 pm on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

ch is a checksum generated based on the URL.

You can sniff it out from the toolbar itself on per URL basis - very easy.

If you want to find an algo, then someone had cracked it too, but Google supposedly changes some constants once in a while, which throws off the calculator.

There is a Perl module WWW::Google::PageRank [search.cpan.org] that hasn't been updated since 2004, so I don't know how accurate it is.

Knappster




msg:757475
 7:22 pm on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Like this:

[66.249.93.99...]

For even more info to parse, drop "Rank" from the URL:

[66.249.93.99...]

arran




msg:757476
 8:15 pm on Feb 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Or in XML:

[66.249.93.99 ]

CainIV




msg:757477
 3:49 am on Feb 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

How exactly did you produce this XML?

Looks interesting :)

phish




msg:757478
 7:45 am on Feb 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

hmmm...check these out..did some digging -)

you can replace =Rank with the following also

=Level
=Filter
=Hostname
=URL
=Results
=Summary
=Title
=CacheSize
=Link

phish




msg:757479
 8:10 am on Feb 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

you can also use different datacenter ip's to see the result changes on the fly

webdude




msg:757480
 5:13 pm on Feb 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Good Find!

mirrornl




msg:757481
 5:44 pm on Feb 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

go go go guys!
go on, just go on

im not such a techie, but this might become a new tool?

great post

Dayo_UK




msg:757482
 6:42 pm on Feb 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well the tools are already out there and have been for a while.

For me the intresting thing is that my site got a TBPR0 the last update - although I have a feeling that it had been a PR0 for a lot longer then the toolbar said (It was a PR0 in the Google directory for a lot longer - last June I think.)

The Big-Daddy DC has my PR at 5 though :)

So I for one hope that this tool does show future PR - now if only my serp placements came back.

rkhare




msg:757483
 6:45 pm on Feb 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

but how it shows our actual PR as on date and not TBPR

protellix




msg:757484
 8:03 pm on Feb 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi, because the german 'abakus' forum is down in the moment, I registerd here (I need to write something :-).

If you replace &features=Rank with &num=20&start=0 (=20, =40 ...) you will see much more links compared to link:example.com

If you find your own site in the xml-file just look at the <RK> tag and you will see your current PR. At least for my site it seems to work (new PR5 old PR4 :-).

CainIV




msg:757485
 8:59 pm on Feb 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well the tools are already out there and have been for a while.

Cool, now where exactly do we find this query. I noticed it has a unique number in it.

Is this a particular search query in Google that produces this string?

rkhare




msg:757486
 1:08 pm on Feb 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Cool, now where exactly do we find this query. I noticed it has a unique number in it.

i found on iweb as a tool, as adviced earlier on this forum, eye opener

and :-) yes it predicts My PR to go up from PR4 to PR5

geeeeeeeeeeee

rkhare




msg:757487
 1:10 pm on Feb 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

but the orignal question remains unanswered, What do such figures as Rank_1:1:6 Rank_1:1:5 mean?

stuartc1




msg:757488
 1:26 pm on Feb 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

The 'Rank_1:1:8 Rank_1:1:7 Rank_1:1:5 Rank_1:1:7 Rank_1:1:2 Rank_1:1:3.....' type number appear to be directly related to related website/pages.

Try the command with &features=Rank

It will start with the queried pages PR, the rest are related pages PR.

You can check this by doing the above command without the &features=Rank... this generates an XML file, look for the <RK></RK> tags, the match exactly to the first query!

So, does this confirm that TBPR is based on realPR and related pages realPR?

So in order to find the TBPR there must be some calculation doing on the RealPR and the related pages RealPR - and ideas?

Dayo_UK




msg:757489
 1:32 pm on Feb 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>>>It will start with the queried pages PR, the rest are related pages PR.

Well sort of - It returns a result page for the query - so the queried page may not always be top.

The pages in the xml format are just pages from the search query - eg most queries we are running are www.domain.com - but it is just the result page for www.domain.com

Eg. Try words like hello etc or search for "www.domain.com" - you will see the placements tally (assuming you are hitting the correct DC at the time)

selomelo




msg:757490
 1:34 pm on Feb 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

type number appear to be directly related to related website/pages.

Yes, I was about to write the same thing. After studying the xml file, I noticed that those figures correspond to the current PRs of other pages [inbound links]that are the subsample of backlinks to the site.

The first of these figures is the current (not toolbar) PR of the page in question.

(This seems true at least for the pages I just checked. Anway, one can easily find which figure (PR) corresponds to which page by checking the xml.)

:)

[edited by: selomelo at 1:39 pm (utc) on Feb. 14, 2006]

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