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Google Datacenters Watch: 2006-01-30
Observations, Analysis and Remarks

 3:55 pm on Jan 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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This is just odd.

The 64.* DC's return about 300 pages from my site.

The 216.* DC's return about 46,000 pages from my site.

And the 66.* return 69,000 pages from my site.

Currently I have about 65,000 pages.

If I go to google.co.uk I get 46,000 pages. If I go to google.com from my US based server I get the same 46,000 results.

It is all very odd and confusing.

[edited by: tedster at 9:56 pm (utc) on Jan. 30, 2006]



 7:04 am on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Pico_Train, it is across the DCs. You can anyway check out on BD DCs also, say


 8:25 am on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Good morning Folks

Reseller, get here soon after you finish your Cappuccino. <<

Good morning McMohan, my updates friend

The 2nd Cappuccino and counting :-)

So you all see some actions on the DCs. I told ya befor going to bade yesterday to welcome Update BigDaddy, but ya never listen :-)


 8:30 am on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

My main site is back as # 1 in almost all dc's for main keywords..... three cheers to update Bigdaddy :-)


 8:45 am on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

The Importance of Watching Google Datacenters.. before, during and after an Update

Hi Folks

Mostly its fellow members whos sites have been affected for different reasons who keep open eyes on the DCs. However, those fellow members who are already doing well on the serps are also watching just to be sure that their sites preserve their ranking during changes and updates.

Some of the folks hope that an update shall correct the canonical problems.

Some are looking for an end to a penalty that caused their sites to lose ranking.

Some are praying that an update will bring a solution for the supplementals that cover thgeir sites listing.

And others wish just to see improvements of their sites ranking as a result of their whitehat/blackhat SEO efforts :-)

One thing they all have in common; Watching changes on Google Datacenters.

The watching process is a continuos one. To see changes during an update requires that you have already been studying the DCs before the updates starts.

During an update you shall see all kind of changes, off and on all the time.

After the update, when you think that its time to relax, the traditional everflux period will start and changes might happen there too.

All above require time, watching "energy" and strong nerves.

And a worning!

Watching Google Datacenters pre-, during and post- an update isn't something for the weak souls. The watching process might bring frustrations and anger too. If that happen, and I'm sure it will. Please lets be kind and nice in our postings.

Wish you all a successful Google Datacenters Watching.

God bless WebmasterWorld community.


 9:17 am on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)


I've seen top results before with an extra indent listing but not an indent including 7 different ways to our site with wonderful keyword text links! Oh I must get another glass of wine and look more on this....West coast here so it's 1am then will goto bed.


 9:20 am on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)


Not really seeing much movement in my area as of yet - if there has been a change accross most DCs it maybe another Data Refresh or something that is independent of BD.

Not seeing any improvements in sites which have Canonical and Hijack issues.


 10:21 am on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

No fixes or anything like that, but a significant amount of changes. The spam du jour is still blog spamming the hell out of a garbage free page on a "trusted" megasite. Google still just has an awful time recognizing niche authority (though waaaaaaay better than their competiton of course).


 10:22 am on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

I agree I am not seeing any major changes over the last week or so either.

Big Daddy is rolling out but the new datacentres are revolving results with default so they are not permanently Big Daddy.

I agree there may have been a data refresh as some double results are now single.

Other than that no real change IMO


 10:33 am on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Everything still looks just the same to me. :)


 10:37 am on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sorry can't see changes either. Maybe it's because I did not have my cappuccino this morning yet (espresso macchina is already switched on).

Results are the same as in the last few days. I can see two different data sets. One of them should be BD.

I moved my forum into another directory last september so that Google had to recrawl them. On BD I can see only a small part of the forum posts while in non BD DCs there are ten times more posts.

So let's wait and see. I hope that the forum will be back again soon. Maybe the update starts somewhere else and will come across the ocean soon?


 11:31 am on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

No change yet in the UK i can see

As for the BD data centre that we see, dont you all think its amazing that overnight Google can for example go from a search term having say 107 million results to 375 million for the same search term?

Where do all these extra listing come from? and as they dont display beyond say the first 1000 results (in some cases less)anyway and searchers dont often go beyond the first 10, whats the point?

Its a bit like pluck a figure out of the air and add a few zeros to it if you ask me!


 11:35 am on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Reseller, you are a breath of fresh air my friend and are a big help throughout this.

I can report On several datacenters we have come back to the page 1 position before the site plummeted to nowhere in November, but on big daddy it is just showing our old cached page on page 5 again.
What is happening and is anyone else experiencing this?



 11:38 am on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

that is strange. I am seeing no changes on Big Daddy DC.
However, on this non BD DC: [] the results changed and the cache shows fresh.
do they try two ways paralelly?


 11:41 am on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

<I can report On several datacenters we have come back to the page 1 position before the site plummeted to nowhere in November, but on big daddy it is just showing our old cached page on page 5 again.
What is happening and is anyone else experiencing this?>

My site has recovered some positions on the BD server, and pages which were 'lost' are showing up again on other DC's but not BD. It looks like there are two or three different things going on on different DC's to me.

My results on the uk google seem to bear little relation to what is going on anywhere else on the DC's. ;)


 11:44 am on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Fingers crossed then Miop eh
Incidentally, when did your site come back, mine was yesterday after a few changes to the site though.
I am not even ranking on .co.uk and before jagger I was no 2.


 11:50 am on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't know if this will help or not, but here goes.

My site offers unusual and unique content, frequently updated with additional pages.

Through all these updates, my SERPs never really tanked, just the usual roller coaster.
Instead, over months and years I see a slow gradual rise
until I find my pages on the first and second pages of Google results now.

This is very gratifying. Its a little like planting a lemon tree.
(I did that too, now I have a tree kicking out lemons
all winter long. Don't try that in North Dakota or Germany.)

My point is that a site like mine weathers all these updates pretty nicely, all things considered.

This won't help the get-rich-quick people, lots of work is needed.

If you are lucky enough to live where lemon trees survive Winter, plant one in a nice spot.
If not, try potatoes. My local supermarket wants 50 cents up for either one.

Anyone have a good recipe for lemons and potatos?
Best wishes -Larry


 12:03 pm on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hey all,

I've been watching BD DC's this week, and i have to say that the canonical / penalty problem as not been solved at all.

I do a search for my site in quotes on any BD DC ( or any DC for that matter) and google comes up with with like every supplemental page they can find! My site is listed in dmoz, so google shows up like all dmoz clones that have my site in their listing before my home page. I mean my home page is not even in the first 10 pages of the serps for my own site's name!

This is actually WORST than before on non BD DC'S.

I know the penalty on my site is being lifted though because I am now ranking in the top 40 for some pretty competitive keywords... But the home page? GONE!



 12:24 pm on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

one funny thing is that sites using linking schemes do great on Big Daddy data centres.
i believe that is a problem for Google.


 12:27 pm on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

I see no change


 12:29 pm on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

> Fingers crossed then Miop eh>

They ache from being crossed for so long!

<Incidentally, when did your site come back,>

Just after Christmas, but little change since then. I can see changes across the DC's but they have not been consolidated.

< mine was yesterday after a few changes to the site though.
I am not even ranking on .co.uk and before jagger I was no 2.
Bek. >

That's how my site was and still is for major keywords. Internal pages are much better now, but still only a few of them. At least it's enough to keep afloat at the moment.


 12:36 pm on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

I see some changes but not is the right directions.


 1:03 pm on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

"canonical / penalty problem has not been solved at all."
My dear friend do not expect that your canonical problem will be fixed ,it will be fixed only after you spend your penalty time 3,6 ,12 months in google's prison monopoly game.
Heil Hoogle SturmStaffel


 1:10 pm on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Big Daddy= Big Brother
Probably is time what has been left from the democratic (LOL) World or the UN is to take some action against a developing monster that becomes the 4 reich in the world's economy ,finance ,private data and finally Democracy.
After all who they think they are .......


 2:26 pm on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Larry Hatch

Lemon and Potatoes Recipe.

Wash and Peel your potatoes
Boil them and cut them into half, depending on hot big they are.
Let the potatoes cool down to room temp.
Take your lemon and juice half of it and set it aside.
Now chop your cooked potatoes into bite sized pieces.
Put them aside.
In a large bowl put plenty of olive oil.
Add salt and pepper to taste.
Add a teaspoon of Dijon Mustard.
Mix well. Add some of the lemon juice and mix. Taste. Add more lemon juice to taste...
Add potatoes to bowl.
Dice an onion into small pieces. Add to bowl.
When ready to eat, stir in some chopped parsley and mix the potatoes with your vinaigrette.


Voila and oh, yes I am from that country where food and cooking are slightly important...


 2:59 pm on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Voila and oh, yes I am from that country where food and cooking are slightly important...

Not from the Uk then, there is not many recipes for fish and chips out there.



 3:13 pm on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>Lemon and Potatoes Recipe.

I've seen something similar, but with the addition of oregano - a slight adaptation from Greece...

And oh, Iíve seen elsewhere reports of an update, but Iím wondering if this is only affecting sights that were hit around September 22nd. Certainly this is my situation.


 3:43 pm on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Potatoes or rice, in any event...

it does look like some filter was removed, i think the keyword density one was loosen a bit, just a bit.

So far I see that results are back to Sept/Oct on most of the search terms, but the most important 2 words went down 40 points.

----------"canonical / penalty problem has not been solved at all."------------

In July/August part of our site was indexed incorrectly with 4 Ws in the front, like WWWW.domain.tld, We made some adjustments and started returning 410 on some pages and <noindex,noarchive> with no content served on others, just tags. Well we went from 79(counted) to 14, and pages returned to original good rankings. Well I just checked for that WWWW thingy, all 79 pages are back, indexed, stale old copy from July, and donít rank. Looking deeper in to the problem I found that the actual dates cached on half of those pages go back to the range December 2004 thru February 2005. I checked the logs, all pages we revisited by both versions of GBot many - many times, but still we experience the BARABOOM Effect.

So, does it mean that adding Ďnoindex or 410 or 404í to the vinaigrette still gives you upset stomach now, then you feel Great but later you get a head ache?


 4:13 pm on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

My site is jumping all around. Goes as high as 99 to as low as 9. BD site is the best one. Prior to BD was at about 12 on a consistant basis. Will be interesting to see where it ends up after all DC are on board.


 4:31 pm on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

There are still duplicate content issues on BD, seeing alot of 404 supplementals, most are proxy servers. Remnants from the size wars perhaps.

I get the impression that G is changing results by category like they did in Jagger, so I believe we will all see some changes soon.

Hopefully all for the better. I'm being optimistic.


 5:31 pm on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Our site which was doing better in Big Daddy has just been slammed in normal results, and lists nowhere near where it did in BD. I'm not sure this is BD rolling out - maybe its another effect all together.


 5:44 pm on Feb 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm not sure this is BD rolling out - maybe its another effect all together.

On that point, I entirely agree, unless someone can give me specifics to the contrary, as I see NO BD Update started, NO rollout of BD, NO specific/drastic changes in the data bases.

MC says one thing, and some of the posts on here say another. He said that the BD DC's would spread one at a time every 10 days or so, until full integration around mid March.

So, where is all this Welcome to Big Daddy Update coming from? If I am wrong then I apologise, but to me it seems irrational until proven.

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