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Google pulls 'we don't censor' statement
In response to China..
johnser

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Msg#: 32953 posted 4:56 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

[theregister.co.uk...]

[edited by: jatar_k at 6:21 pm (utc) on Jan. 27, 2006]
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Eva_Geddes

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Msg#: 32953 posted 6:13 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Wow. Pretty soon they'll rewrite the Founders Letter, too. 1984, indeed.

kaled

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Msg#: 32953 posted 7:25 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

This is dangerously close to politics but.....

Insofar as every other multinational company is in China, it is unreasonable to expect Google to take a stand on ethical grounds.

That said, TOS prevent me from saying what I actually think of China and current the pandemic of kowtowing.

Kaled.

ap_Rhys

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Msg#: 32953 posted 7:28 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Do no evil - except to Tibetans.

dauction

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Msg#: 32953 posted 7:32 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Insofar as every other multinational company is in China, it is unreasonable to expect Google to take a stand on ethical grounds

I agree except for the "Do No Evil" motto of G

Look here they are changing the core wording of their mission statements from "Google does not censure any search term" " we believe strongly in the democracy of the web.."

to OK ..we will if you insist

I think it's because it IS Google they are taking more greif than any of the other Companies doing busineess in China..

It's because our expectations are higher for google..

mm1220

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Msg#: 32953 posted 7:46 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

it is unreasonable to expect Google to take a stand on ethical grounds

I think the point is that although Google are not doing anything unlawful, they hold themselves to a self-imposed higher standard so such an expectation might not have been so unreasonable, although given the nature of business highly unlikely.

sore66

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Msg#: 32953 posted 9:03 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Why is Google even in China?

Becuase they are owned by Wall Street now.

extremegolfer



 
Msg#: 32953 posted 9:26 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Google has to move to China. It needs to justify the market cap it has. Its revenues no where near equate what they are worth on wall street. However, Google will lose in China, as the Chinese will not support Google over Baidu. Google in China will be like Alltheweb in the US.

stinkfoot

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Msg#: 32953 posted 4:10 am on Jan 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Where censorship is concerned they have been at it for years already. The sandbox is a form of censorship as are penalties. No one actually uses anything but the first page when they search thus any methods they use to alter your serps is IMO a form of censorship.

mm1220

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Msg#: 32953 posted 11:48 am on Jan 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

A revised version is now back online.

encyclo

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Msg#: 32953 posted 7:40 pm on Jan 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

A revised version is now back online.

[google.com...]

It is Google's policy not to censor search results. However, in response to local laws, regulations, or policies, we may do so.

In other words, it is not their policy to censor results except when their policy is to censor results. Well, that clears things up! ;)

ken_b

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Msg#: 32953 posted 7:51 pm on Jan 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

In other words, it is not their policy to censor results except when their policy is to censor results. Well, that clears things up! ;)

No, their policy is to obey the government laws, regulations and policies that apply to them in various locations.

Seems like a fairly sensible thing to do.

vincevincevince

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Msg#: 32953 posted 7:56 pm on Jan 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

although Google are not doing anything unlawful, they hold themselves to a self-imposed higher standard

That is a very good point. These changes to the statement are, in effect, deciding that Google is casting such youthful idealism aside and joining 'the fray' where money is always more important than morality (bloody great).

netscan

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Msg#: 32953 posted 7:18 am on Jan 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

On the "Google will fail in China anyway" kick, I will have to agree with that sentiment for the simple fact that it's just too plain. When I was in China, I observed some of our employee’s internet surfing and damn near had a siezure looking at some of those sites. Blinkin sh.. er, stuff, all over the screen.

Same with their television programs, one second it's the show, split second later a commercial, split second after that back to the show... All the while with blinkin or scrolling or even split screen blinkin and scrolling stuff. Enough to drive a westerner mad I tell ya.

They love lots of stuff happening all over the place; Google just doesn't fit the bill, in its current incarnation anyway. Same with MSN and Yahoo. Yes, even they don't have enough crap going on at the same time.

Have a look at the Chinese version of amazon.com, chalk full of blinkin and scrolling crap. They changed their format to suit the market, can Google do the same? Isn't that what made Google great, their plain, simple interface? I think they just shot themselves in the foot with their western users for what will ultimately be a bad business decision.

g1smd

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Msg#: 32953 posted 7:35 pm on Jan 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> and damn near had a siezure looking at some of those sites. Blinkin sh.. er, stuff, all over the screen. <<

I saw a site with about 50 gaudy flashing and scrolling graphics plastered across the screen, and it nearly did the same for me too.

kaled

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Msg#: 32953 posted 10:59 pm on Jan 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

Perhaps Google will set a trend...

My knowledge of the orient and its peoples is limited to say the least, but one thing is certain, fashions can change very quickly. Also, whilst it's only a guess, perhaps their love of gaudy websites stems from the drab and austere past from which they are only now beginning to escape. If that is the case, it will not last forever.

Kaled.

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