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Has Google updated its spam filtering algorithm?
Changes took place in January
Ricky_G




msg:741945
 7:01 am on Jan 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi

My website got penalized by google. (COngratulations to me :-) )Things started from this JAN (wen Google scheduled to upgrade its PR algo? I am not sure if its true.) Traffic dropped. So did the earnings. Many people felt changes in their rankings as well as earnings in this particular month. On te other hand, others felt more income and traffic (obviously)

Reason of Penalty: I was using my own automatic Link partnering tool and in few instances posted the link partnering email on Forums and Blogs too. (accidently)

Google detected this as "SPAMMING" and the traffic that I am getting on this very website (from Google only) has decreased drastically.

However, other Search Engines seem to be BLIND to this "SPAMMING" (Yes! I agree that in some sense this is spamming what I did). Rather MSN and Yahoo have started sending more traffic.

Though, the website is a quality website (quality content and all). But my greed to get more links has put this website down. I will have to relaunch it now.

Furthermore, I will start experimenting and will be enhancing my Link Partnering tool algorithms to detect these irrelevant websites and filtering out Blogs and Forums.

Moral of the story:
1 - Google has applied some SERIOUS SPAM combacting algorithms. Its growing more and more concious about SPAM. So be careful.
2 - Other Search Engines are still alot away from what Google is doing. I salute Google for their dedication and taking SPAM websites seriously.
3 - Dont post your Website links on Comments ssection of Blogs or forums. (which I did accidently)
4 - Look out for other ways of SPAMMING that Google has become resistant to. Kindly post them here for further evaluation by WebmasterWorld community.

 

andrea99




msg:741946
 7:18 am on Jan 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm pleased if this is true because my traffic and earnings are significantly up in January and I'm proud to say that I avoid spam-behaviors.

But it does bother me that a link on a blog comment or forum post is considered spam. On those blogs which ask for a website link when one is posting a comment the link is not spam it is a reference to the opinion expressed in the comment, same as when you are registered on many forums a link to your site is included automatically. This is the proper use of linking, not spam.

jetteroheller




msg:741947
 7:20 am on Jan 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks for posting this.

It's sometimes very hard to post about own mistakes.
So I find it very good, that You have the courage to do this.

Ricky_G




msg:741948
 7:38 am on Jan 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

But it does bother me that a link on a blog comment or forum post is considered spam. On those blogs which ask for a website link when one is posting a comment the link is not spam it is a reference to the opinion expressed in the comment, same as when you are registered on many forums a link to your site is included automatically. This is the proper use of linking, not spam.

Tell that to Google man! Actually I host my blog at Blogger.com (owned by Google). And they marked my GENUINE blog as SPAM 3 times now. I emailed them everytime and then they released it giving it a CLEAN CHIT. It clearly indicates, they are taking EXTRA CARE to detect SPAM BLOGS now.

Its known fact that links in forums dont contribute to PR increase in Google algo. And Whats the difference between posting in forums and Blogs comments? Anybody can post that.

I have never heard a person building PR by only posting links in forums. But I have definately heard of people gettin penalized while running AUTOMATED BOTS for posting in Blogs Comments.

Only thing I want to indicate is : BE CAREFUL as GOOGLE has INCREASED its SENSITIVITY towards SPAM. Blogger.com incidence is proof to that. I am live exmaple to that. So take care.

Though, its good that Google is giving you traffic you deserve. Care to throw some of those visitors on my poor website?
;-) heh heh

Ricky_G




msg:741949
 7:44 am on Jan 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks for posting this.
It's sometimes very hard to post about own mistakes.
So I find it very good, that You have the courage to do this.

I love learning from my mistakes and experiments. Thanks for kind words :-)

Freedom




msg:741950
 7:54 am on Jan 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

This is a nice change of pace from the "lie and deny policy" of most spa.., I mean webmasters here.

Mistra




msg:741951
 9:43 am on Jan 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

My main site was number 3 at Google for certain keywords for 7 years. All I did was buying half a dozen new domains recently and use URL forwarding to point it to my main site since I do not want to park at my registrar. My site is now at second page of Google for this keyword and I hardly see referral coming from Google in my stats. Earning is dropping from few dollars per day to few cents per day.

It is not fair, because those new sites at the first page of Google are not related to this keyword at all. Those sites taken over my site are ranked better than mine not because their contents are related to those keywords but because they are doing SEO. :C

Feel so sad and not fired up about making a living out of Adsense. :(

tedster




msg:741952
 7:36 pm on Jan 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

use URL forwarding to point it to my main site

If this is not a 301 (permanent) redirect but some other form of forwarding then it can indeed create problems. Check the http headers for the forwarding domain and make sure they return a 301 server header.

Pico_Train




msg:741953
 7:39 pm on Jan 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

You might stop posting your url on comments sections of blogs but your competitors won't stop putting your url up to bring you down.

My site is a case in point.

That side of the algorithm is blind to this possibility.

Blog spam should be ignored entirely. But how to tell it is from a blog?

arikgub




msg:741954
 8:08 pm on Jan 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

ricky,

do you think the real reason is your blog postings or the automated linking script or a combination of both?

If G penalizes for forum postings what prevents your competitors from getting you penalized? Pretty scary possibility.... Also what happens to all those who have hundreds of forum postings with URLs in their signiture. I doubt G would impose penalties in these cases, it is ridiculous.

walkman




msg:741955
 8:19 pm on Jan 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

automated linking script I think did it for you--unless the blog spamming was severe and obvious. Remember, Google engineers see those scripts hundreds of times a day, and it's easy to see paterns.

How many blog links are we talking about, and what time frame (e.g, 20 links in a week)?

europeforvisitors




msg:741956
 9:02 pm on Jan 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

You might stop posting your url on comments sections of blogs but your competitors won't stop putting your url up to bring you down.

Somebody once posted a zillion links to my sites in guestbooks around the Web, along with phony e-mail addresses at my domain. It didn't hurt me. I assume that Google just ignored the links, some of which still turn up when I search for backlinks to my site.

I suspect that, if guestbook/forum/blog links do cause problems, it's only in combination with other factors. That would be the common-sense approach.

Ricky_G




msg:741957
 5:37 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

ricky, do you think the real reason is your blog postings or the automated linking script or a combination of both?

Its not a automated linking script. Its a program that finds genuine email addresses of webmasters related to a certain keyword and finds "Contact us" forms and fills the same with linking email text"

Now, I used to find websites related to a certain keyword upto like 350 websites from Google as well as from Yahoo. I guess till that far, the results of Engines get quite unrelated. Anyways, I contacted those webmasters too and the "Contact us" form filler sometimes posted in Blog posts as well as forums too.

When there were too many of such postings, Google reduced its traffic. Only the new PR update was a reason to that. Otherwise website was getting pretty good traffic till Jan. Google marked me - "SPAMMER"

[edited by: Ricky_G at 5:45 am (utc) on Jan. 25, 2006]

Ricky_G




msg:741958
 5:39 am on Jan 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

I suspect that, if guestbook/forum/blog links do cause problems, it's only in combination with other factors. That would be the common-sense approach.

You are very right man! Google just marks that website RED who might be posting these comments on blogs, and if it finds other VARIABLES stating that the particular website is SPAMMING or isnt worth it, it penalizes it.

Rajput jitendra




msg:741959
 12:26 pm on Feb 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think G counts a back link of Forums/ Blog/ Comment as penalize one then every one do that for panelize there competitor websites. So, in G case those links are not more weighted for BL of website.

afterburner




msg:741960
 12:41 pm on Feb 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

no one knows for sure what google is doing, every thing is pure speculation and if anyone really does have the google algo cracked they sure as heck are not going to post it in webmasterworld.

RichTC




msg:741961
 3:21 pm on Feb 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

afterburner

To true... its the secret to a vast fortune if you can crack it!

Regarding links on bloggs i cant see that having any effect on a site otherwise you would stuff any website you wanted too by pointing links at it - i think its more likely to be a combination of things.

If google finds a link to an automated link tool you are going to be history imo in time. I also think that google discounts blog links in the same way it discounts some clone dmoz directory sites imo so a site isnt going to gain much linking in this way.

All i can say is im glad google doesnt currently give much weight to bloggs anyway, the majority are absolute junk. I do notice some bloggs are creaping into yahoo and in some places on Google but i hope both search engines can keep a tight reign on bloggs because the last thing we want to see is more junk in the serps.

Over all i would agree that google has been updating its spam filtering and is doing very well with it - google serps currently are miles ahead of the other search engines thats for sure

ulysee




msg:741962
 3:57 pm on Feb 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

RichTC:
Over all i would agree that google has been updating its spam filtering and is doing very well with it - google serps currently are miles ahead of the other search engines thats for sure.

When 80% of adult serps are filled with spam/black hat sites then I cant even disagree more with your comments.

King of all Sales




msg:741963
 5:04 pm on Feb 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have one competitor who was nowhere in the serps prior to September. They are now ranking extremely well and they are serious spammers.

Google is reporting 37 backlinks but they have a pr6. Of the 24,000+ backlinks Google is not reporting, almost all are from a coordinated campaign of forum spam.

They also employ the "almost hidden text" that Matt Cutts has warned against.

I can't see where Google has really done anything to combat spam. If Google claims to be completely automated, but their automated proccess only sometimes catches the cheat, what good is it?

Eazygoin




msg:741964
 5:33 pm on Feb 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

There doesn't appear to be any effect on running a blog, with links to a main website, apart from which, why should there be, unless the blog is blatantly aimed at spamming.
I run a blog, which has some articles aimed at my site, and others aimed at general topics. The archive is set to show the ten most recent posts, and the date marker is linked to my main URL. Google accepts these as relevant inbound links to my main site, and as far as I am aware, there is no penalty.

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