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Google Datacenters Watch: 2006-01-23
Observations, Analysis and Remarks
reseller




msg:718619
 8:11 am on Jan 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

The Art of Google Datacenters Watch

Good morning Folks

It isn't only a passion but also discipline to observe, analyze and posting remarks about the DCs in general or specific DCs in particular. And patience and focus is the name of the game.

Mostly we are seeking predictions about how tomorrow serps might look like.

And as you might have noticed, watching Google datacenters is a very educating process. Take a look at some posts on this thread and you shall see important topics as canonical issues, supplemental issues, 301 redirect etc. explained in details.

In fact this thread reflects the huge high quality resources this great WebmasterWorld community has.

Keep those great observations, analysis and remarks coming ;-)

Thanks!

[edited by: tedster at 6:55 am (utc) on Jan. 23, 2006]

 

crobb305




msg:718739
 3:15 am on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Billy,

I am observing the same thing. Furthermore, my pages have been 301'd for 4 months. And the correct pages are listed as url only. The old versions still listed with title/desc but supplemental.

C

reseller




msg:718740
 6:44 am on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

The Two BigDaddy's Infrastructures

Good morning Folks.

So it seems that our friends at the plex are proceeding with testing two different infrastructures, best illustrated by the following two sets of DCs

Set-I
[66.249.93.99...]
[66.249.93.104...]

And

Set-II (reseller's favorite:-))
[64.233.179.99...]
[64.233.179.104...]

And it seems that shifting in ranking and other minor changes on the two sets mightbe the side effect of the two different infrastructures.

And here are few more DCs which are showing BigDaddy results:

[64.233.171.99...]
[64.233.171.104...]

[64.233.185.99...]
[64.233.185.104...]

Of course at some point the folks at the plex gonna choose one of the two infrastructures to deploy on new algos, filters and possible improvements as to canonicals and supplementals issues (hopefully). I.e I'm talking about the next Allegra-II Update (Brett shall give it a name when it starts).

However, I wouldn't be surprised if Inigo and Co would proceed during and after next update with two infrastructures. Just to show the SEO specialists who is "The Master of the Ring" on Google's serps :-)

Wish you all a great day.

eyezshine




msg:718741
 6:54 am on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yep, it looks like it's rolled out to a couple more data centers. A couple of my new sites doubled in traffic today because of it. The future is looking brighter!

bluewidgets




msg:718742
 11:53 am on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

someone delete my 3 posts here and no sticky why?....perhaps what i said was very serious....

idolw




msg:718743
 12:23 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

looked at these 2 "sets".
they both look the same for me.
all giving credit to old domains. no new quality stuff on page 1.

Dayo_UK




msg:718744
 12:35 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Cant see much difference between the sets either.

Anyway - there is no progress in rankings of Canonical and hijacked sites.

Big Letdown so far.

mycutegoddess




msg:718745
 1:00 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm waiting for coming 2nd Feb....

Dayo_UK




msg:718746
 1:04 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Why what is going to happen then on Feb 2nd?

The CanonicalHog may come out and have a look around and see Google still has problems so go back into its hole and we have 6 more weeks of no progress.

reseller




msg:718747
 2:43 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

The Bacon Polenta Test

If you wish to see the difference between the serps (infrastructures) of the two sets of BigDaddy, here
is a simple test.

Run the following search on the 2 sets of BigDaddy DCs and take a look at sites #2 - #10. For exact comparison you may wish to print the top 10 results of both sets.

bacon polenta test on Set-I [66.249.93.99]

bacon polenta test on Set-II [64.233.179.104]

Enjoy ;-)

Edit: Ok Dayo.. here it is again. But I need to try another search I guess :-). Its different, trust me.

[edited by: reseller at 2:55 pm (utc) on Jan. 27, 2006]

Dayo_UK




msg:718748
 2:48 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

They are the same for me - only difference is the page count, but top 10 the same.

Lol - just read another name for Big Daddy at SEW - Bug Daddy.

So that is:-

Big Duddy
Big Letdown
Bug Daddy
so far.

Edit: Reseller - it is possible to pick the odd search out as I doubt DCs are exactly the same ever - but fundamentally I dont think there is enough difference between the two to treat them as seperate Big Letdowns/Big Duddys/Bug Daddys.

reseller




msg:718749
 3:08 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Dayo_UK

Couldn't reach to edit my previous post.

Try these two now, while they are there. Things are changing fast you know ;-)

bacon polenta test on Set-I [66.249.93.99]

bacon polenta test on Set-II [64.233.179.104]

What do you see?

edit: Dayo_UK... ok. I'm sticky you a search. See for yourself and post feedback without mentioning the keyphrase in respect of the TOS

[edited by: reseller at 3:17 pm (utc) on Jan. 27, 2006]

Dayo_UK




msg:718750
 3:12 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

They are different search my friend - hence different results :)

Remember that [66.249.93.99...] is not showing BD 100% of the time - about 95% but I can get non BD results.

PS you have a space after site on one of them

idolw




msg:718751
 4:28 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

old domains, old domains, old domains in my niche.
i already read everything on these old sites!
give me some fresh stuff!

Miop




msg:718752
 4:47 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I see my 'mended' pages spreading out from 64.233.179.104...

otech




msg:718753
 4:50 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am seeing alot of BD results all over the place now - just checked about 30 DC's and I would say its at around 30% of them.

Sobriquet;
Matt Cutts wrote the sf giants search on his blog as a way to distinguish between BD/Normal results - go check if you still 'doubt it'.

It has also been posted in this forum by many credible members...

reseller




msg:718754
 11:12 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Still Two Sets of BigDaddy DCs

Good evening Folks

I see BigDaddy DCs are still divided into two sets and accordingly two possible infrastructures.

This afternoon I stikied my Norwich friend Dayo_UK my testing keyphrase and he could see some differences there too. In respect of the TOS I'm not posting my testing keyphrase. However, if you wish to try for yourself just sticky me and I shall send it to you.

Set-I

[66.249.93.99...]
[66.249.93.104...]

[216.239.37.99...]
[216.239.37.104...]

[64.233.171.99...]
[64.233.171.104...]

[64.233.185.99...]
[64.233.185.104...]

Set-II (reseller's favorite :-))

[64.233.179.99...]
[64.233.179.104...]

Still awaiting PR, backlink and algos update ;-)

Wish you all a great weekend.

followgreg




msg:718755
 11:36 pm on Jan 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

I think that a major PR/backlink is already happening but not visible yet...my 2cents though.

It's stupid but I feel like a kid waiting for christmas :) PLease toolbar PR update!

Kufu




msg:718756
 12:05 am on Jan 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I know, this is fun!

Even though I always advocate not concentrating too much on PR, it is always fun to see if my sites have gained any PR.

Good luck to everyone with the SERPs.

In the test datacenters I'm seeing some good stuff for me. ;)

reseller




msg:718757
 6:47 am on Jan 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

BigDaddy DCs United

Good morning Folks

So it seems that Google software engineers have decided that all BigDaddy DCs to follow reseller's favorite DCs infrastructure :-)

Set-II (called at Googleplex; reseller's DCs :-))

[64.233.179.99...]
[64.233.179.104...]

IMO, we should expect to see the next algos update indications on one of the above two DCs or on both.

and here are the BigDaddy DCs that show the same serps as above:

[66.249.93.99...]
[66.249.93.104...]

[64.233.171.99...]
[64.233.171.104...]

[64.233.185.99...]
[64.233.185.104...]

And of course we should watch out for changes on the other "regular" DCs. Critical changes and things might as well happen there too.

Dayo_UK




msg:718758
 9:46 am on Jan 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>>>I think that a major PR/backlink is already happening but not visible yet...my 2cents though.

Not really feeling that myself..... although PR/backlink calculations are always been updated behind the scenes.

However, the big PR update will happen when/if G recalculates PR for the pages/sites suffering from Canonical and Hijack problems - this has not happened.

reseller




msg:718759
 11:33 am on Jan 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Dayo_UK

>>However, the big PR update will happen when/if G recalculates PR for the pages/sites suffering from Canonical and Hijack problems - this has not happened.<<

Btw, Dayo. Have you noticed that MC has declined recently to post any word about BigDaddy. There are two explanations for that, IMO. Either MC isn't satisfied yet with what he see, or he is busy chasing his cat with his green laser pointer :-)

followgreg




msg:718760
 12:04 pm on Jan 28, 2006 (gmt 0)


You may be right Dayo, not sure but in my opinion they already made this PR/backlink update behind the scene which would explain some recent slight ranking fluctuations (not talking about BD vs regular DC) then when BD comes with the URL fixes another update would go on...
Well...who knows really :) MC time to give an update!

Eazygoin




msg:718761
 12:09 pm on Jan 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

There were updates on April 22nd, July 14th and October 19th, so it only stands to reason that there will be an update fairly soon.

BUT the question is whether the update will include BD results or not.

I rather get the feeling that an update will be independent of BD results, and BD will be integrated as and when it is seen to be beneficial, AND has attained the criteria that Google is looking for.

Many people on here have seen BD come and go, with changes, but it doesn't appear to be anywhere near stable enough to be of any current value.

Simsi




msg:718762
 1:03 pm on Jan 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I spotted something interesting (I think!) yesterday on the Big Daddy DC 104 - if its not been previously mentioned. I have a couple of pages that use typos of brand names in the sector I'm in. They are only small traffic, but have #1 positions in SERPS on the typo.

On the Big Daddy DC however, i notice that the "real" brand names are now #1 in the SERPS above any typos. Quite rightly and quite cleverly!

An interesting development IMO.

Simsi

frakilk




msg:718763
 1:43 pm on Jan 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>> I rather get the feeling that an update will be independent of BD results, and BD will be integrated as and when it is seen to be beneficial, AND has attained the criteria that Google is looking for.

I tend to agree with that. IMO BigDaddy is in no shape for the public. It's indexes are wonky and not in a stable or complete state.

Dayo_UK




msg:718764
 2:38 pm on Jan 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

It is difficult to know what will happen next.

Big Daddy is a bit of a failure at the moment if it is supposed to deal with the Canonical/hijack ranking issue.

I would probably think a merge of some sort will happen with the existing index as different crawling charateristics is in place on the BD and the old index.

But it looks like Google still cant sort out the canonical url/hijack issues - not really a surprise - they have not for the last year so why would it change now.

It is almost the same situation as with Jagger3 when GG said it would be tackling the canonical issue but in the end it did not - MC suddenly gone quiet as they realize that they have made little progress in the ranking of these sites?

idolw




msg:718765
 2:48 pm on Jan 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

why don't they rank pages basing on the age only?
a.com would be #1 for all searches.
b.com would be #2 for all searches.
c.com would be .....
;)

Miop




msg:718766
 6:20 pm on Jan 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Seeing some quite major detecting of canonical pages across various DC's today - first time these have been picked up since Jagger...

But not on the test DC's. The pages concerned are linked from the home page and have been missing for some time, so I hope this sticks!

cleanup




msg:718767
 8:22 am on Jan 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

Now this DC is looking better!

->66.102.9.104

Dayo_UK any comments on canonicals/suplimentals?

cleanup




msg:718768
 8:27 am on Jan 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

OK. Scrub that, sorry. I saw very encouraing SERPS on that DC for a moment but its gone now. :(

Maybe they were playing and forgot to add in the filters or something for a few minutes.

reseller




msg:718769
 9:10 am on Jan 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

Lets Give BigDaddy Another Chance :-)

Good morning Folks

Sunday is a good day for Google Datacenters Watchers to reflect on a whole week of observations, analysis and remarks regarding changes and developements on the DCs.

This week has started by looking at two groups of BigDaddy Dcs with two to some extent different serps. However, at the end of the week we saw the BigDaddy DCs merge into one set of serps, which is also the case today.

Though both GoogleGuy and Matt "Inigo" Cutts mentioned that BigDaddy shall bring the whole world (including China ;-)) improvements in canonical and supplemental issues, we haven't been able until now to trace much of the said improvements.
Maybe we should give BigDaddy another chance and wait for the next week or so which might bring our affected fellow members some good news.

On a side note, I'm seeing some PR changes, of a site I watch, on some DCs when using a Future PageRank Tool. Maybe its just the usual fluctuations on few DCs, or it could be a PR update is underway.

For those who wish to take a look at BigDaddy DCs at this moment (things are changing all the time), here are they:

[66.249.93.99...]
[66.249.93.104...]

[64.233.171.99...]
[64.233.171.104...]

[64.233.185.99...]
[64.233.185.104...]

[64.233.179.99...]
[64.233.179.104...]

Wish you all a great Sunday.

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