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Google Datacenters Watch: 2006-01-16
Observations, Analysis and Remarks

 6:59 am on Jan 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

< continued from [webmasterworld.com...] >

"Celebrating" Allegra Update Anniversary Day

Good morning Folks

Life on Google DCs is much more wonderful than you will ever think :-)

Approaching February 2006, I feel like it just happened yesterday or last week or last month. I'm talking about that Allegra update which changed the map of Google serps once and for all on 2nd February 2005.

I recall loosing 75% of my Google's referrals at that black cold February day. Then the sad stories of other fellow members started to appeare on the threads.

IMO, Allegra was a turning point of the relation between the SEO's specialists and Google. Since then Google carried out an undeclared war against what most SEO's were making living of. Some wise SEO's understood at once the situation and started to adapt and deal with the new environment. Others kept dreaming about the return of the good old Google Dance days.

February is a good time for "savage" Google's updates. Better you keep your eyes opened and watch closely whats taking place on the DCs. And keep your focus on small and big changes on DCs such as


And lets be wise and forget all about the Smoke and Mirrors of a BigDaddy or a BigMammy :-)

I wish you all a great day and a successful week.

[edited by: tedster at 8:52 am (utc) on Jan. 16, 2006]

[edited by: lawman at 11:56 am (utc) on Jan. 16, 2006]



 3:36 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

for my keywords


54,500,000 results

Set-II (reseller's DCs :-))

20,300,000 results

my current google

9,500,000 results


 3:42 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

[] - these results seem to give more credit to older sites again.

Undead Hunter

 4:16 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

All I know is whatever is going on is killing us. Traffic has dropped 1/3rd, but this time our revenue has dropped 1/2. It must be all the higher-paying pages that are getting kicked around.

Yesterday, I did a site:www.mydomain.com in the "main" Google, and it turned up nothing. Then I'll see about 1/2 of our previous results. And so on.

The other datacenters show results for us that are very much like our previous ones.

Things are really roiling and boiling right now.

We never did fix the www and non-www problem. I do have to wonder if they are trying to contend with that now.

When I check the datacenters posted here, and for the most part it shows pre-"whatever this is" results.

Is anyone else feeling the ill effects of all this? Or is it all academic, all in the datacenters yet?

Ian Cunningham

 4:18 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Does everyone here have a Much smaller page count than in the current index? I'm way down, as are many other sites I have checked.


 4:30 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>Does everyone here have a Much smaller page count than in the current index?

I do, but I'm confident that this low count (about half) will never stick. The site is very clean and Google spiders it frequently (and deeply).


 4:46 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

<Is anyone else feeling the ill effects of all this? >

Yep - uk internet sales were up by 34% this Christmas and ours were down by 75%. Thank you G - we actually have had more traffic this month than in the whole of december!

Ian Cunningham

 4:54 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>I do, but I'm confident that this low count (about half) will never stick. The site is very clean and Google spiders it frequently (and deeply).

Thats what I would hope too, but I don't see why lots of pages have been removed for no reason. Oh well, only time will tell!


 5:03 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am trying to turn off my email notification of replies for this thread ... Is there another way to back out of all these emails?


It is a recurring problem which Brett has never fixed. You will never do it again, huh?


 5:20 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

my site has been crowled by today, but only 'disalow' folder with old pages (only hp has ramain the sameone), and not any of new pages.
what does it mean?


 5:30 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Don't Panic ... it's just Google playing games


 5:39 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hah! I am looking at [] and it is displaying the pages from site:www.mysite twice. Several pages are listed normally and then also as supplemental. There is soon going to be a new definition of "snafu". From now on I just say everything is "googled" instead.


 5:42 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've got a theory that Google techs like to have some fun now and then ... watching WebmasterWorld members panic.

Don't play their game ... you're better than that ;-]

All the best



 5:53 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Colin- I think you are giving the Google techs too much credit. I think they are just in over there heads.

When I say they have trashed my site, I am not talking about my rank in the serps. I am talking about not being able to properly index a static 30 page html site with a proper 301 in place for months. No drop down menus. I have even added a spidermap...have a sitemap...they can't do it in Big Duddy. And that is not a misspell.

Situation normal all googled up.

My site is almost fine in the old index. Certainly better than in Big Duddy.


 6:00 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)


Thanks for the reply, I wish I could turn them off, I`ve read enough about the DC`s.


 6:06 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

"For me Canonical has always been about identifying the correct page - rankings are related but seperate which is why I say I am see Canonical improvements."

And that is the problem. Identifying a correct page as canonical is just a small, even tiny, part of canonical problems. www.example.com might always have been seen as a canonical page, but so is www.example.com/index.php. As long as the pages are scored separtely, that is a canonical problem. Just because canonical www.example.com outranks canonical www.example.com/index.php, that isn't anything canonicalization-relevant. It's just one page outranking another.


 6:25 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

BBC2 7pm tonight....Money programme....The World According to Google.....UK programme


 6:29 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Does anyone know if that show will be aired in the US?


 6:40 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Not sure if its online, but you can get the details here:
[bbc.co.uk ]

Seems like you can watch it here:[news.bbc.co.uk ] click on 'watch video'.


 7:05 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

<Big Duddy>



 7:24 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)


I watched the show, thanks for the link


 7:43 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

The show was rubbish IMO

No new info and I thought overture invented ppc rather than google.... anybody?


 7:57 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

I thought the programme was very interesting. One has to admire these two guys, and their company.

Whats more, the programme was unbiased and went into the past, the present, and the future, with an insight into possible hurdles that may appear as Google enters new horizons.

Regarding PPC, yes Yahoo started with it, but Google has developed it into a far more adaptable advertising media, with no minimum PPC charges, no waiting for adverts to be displayed, and their AdWords User panel is up to date, unlike Yahoo's which always seems a day or two behind.


 9:21 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

I agree with Eazygoin 100%, you took the words right out of my mouth!


 9:31 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

It's only a search engine!

We are the ones that have elevated it to such an important part of our lives. I have a SOLD board outside of my house and my business this week, just 1 week after hanging up my internet spurs & I love the feeling of freedom it gives me.

Anyone who thinks that google is really the driving force on the Internet today is misguided ... google is your main competitor, not your friend or partner.

Show some spirit!


 9:46 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

I really don't see your point Colin, in relation to previous comments, which were related to a TV programme.

Have some spirit, you say! Spirit for what - to condemn Google? No way, I'm afraid. They are successful, established and do a great job for the majority of both the public and business.

They are certainly not my enemy, as if I were to ever decide on relying on them for my business, and it didn't work out how I wanted, who would I blame - Google or myself?


 10:18 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'll show some spirit for Google. They have done so much more for our company than I ever could of imagined 15 years ago. 10 years ago a handfull of SEs were my friends. Now a handfull still are and ppc the way that google does it works pretty well for us ;)


 10:22 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

now back to the data centers...


 10:27 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Good evening Folks

Back to the business of Google Datacenters Watching :-)

So it seems that there is an agreement that there are 2 sets of BigDaddy new infrastructure DCs


Set-II (reseller's DCs :-))

To use the same famous terms of the kind GoogleGuy;

I wouldn't be surprised if the folks at the plex shall proceed with Set-II, and there we shall also see indications of possible changes including next update sometime in next month february 2006.

If you are already doing well on Set-II (called at the plex reseller's DCs :-)), lucky you. For the rest, don't lose hope. Things might change once we approach the update.

Wish you all a great weekend.

P.S. : Still awaiting a weather report from GG or Inigo ;-)


 10:48 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hey GoogleGuy, if the "Plex" is going to flip a coin on set I verses set II can you give us a hint on what you and the stock holders are betting on?


 11:01 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Slightly off topic, but I've got a deep crawl in progress - 250 pages or roughly 25% of the site so far.


 11:01 pm on Jan 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

before you give your, "Changed It Again" Google update?

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