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New Serps on Google since 1st January 2006
Observations and comments

 6:03 pm on Jan 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Folks

It seems that what we thought to be testing serps on the test DC [] have suddenly today started showing on "defaults" googles, as google.de, google.co.uk and google.com etc...
While the test DC isn't showing anymore the new serps.

I'm starting this thread to post our remarks concerning the new serps.




 8:41 am on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)


Did the Florida update screw up websites to the point where internal pages do better than the homepage while the homepage is obviously the most relevant.

(when i say 'do better', it means still listed while the homepage is nowhere to be found...)


 9:39 am on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

Following on from my previous post, the DC which is still showing less non www pages is [] this also shows 3 times the amount of links as well?!?


 10:47 am on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes, well I have been saying that the base of the Google problems is how it handles homepages/root pages (eg Canonical Homepage problem, 302 Hijacks) for a long long time.

The test DC no doubt has made progress in identifying the Canonical Homepage.

But as has been said - when will the rank return for these pages - or are these sites now as good as dead.

Are we supposed to be patiently waiting still - GG?


 11:17 am on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

I also see when I make a inurl:mydomain.com many hijackers and 302 links caches are gone (sites that has copied my frontpage) and almost non supplemental resuls.

About raking I think that will happen when the update starts, not just because they have fixed there bug.

I dont think we will come in a sandbox, because the links to us has been there for years.


 11:36 am on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)


I have seen so many false dawns in trying to fix this problem. I hope you are right - but I am slightly pessimistic.


 11:48 am on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

I havent seen much different in the SERPS I monitor, but have noticed new toolbar page rank from time to time over the last couple of days.

Both pagerank showing for a new site of mine, and a change (4 to 6) on another.. perhaps a toolbar PR update is in progress?


 11:55 am on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

I just found out something that KILLS me:

- One of the major cheaters (doorway pages on most of their clients sites) that was found guilty a few weeks ago by Google is back with full PR on toolbar!

Given that this SEO company is located in Europe (france) and has big PPC accounts througout the continent, it seems like Google plays double standards.
So an SEO company with overall probably more than 1500 doorway pages intalled throughout 100's of site + hidden keywords and all the rest can sleep away?!
Apparently yes and this is working for years in europe...now working in US.

That is disapointing. Really. I won't submit any spam report anymore if only small guys get hurt.

(Ok I'm in a bad mood today too...but still)


 12:09 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

does anyone know why Google started to show the new SERPS on 1st Jan for a while and then reverted back? Is this normally a sign that they will eventually change permanently or is it a sign that they were not happy and we'll have to wait longer?


 12:12 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

they are making tests for the bugs to be fixed, nothing to worry about yet.


 12:12 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've seen blatant spam sites come and go in the past few weeks. It has something to do with rollbacks I think.

One thing that has been solid is directory PR. Since the update it shows steady and updated PR. I expect this PR to be the one that becomes toolbar PR eventually.

For example, a notorious spam site in my sector is coming and going from the index at the moment but it's directory PR is rooted at 0. Give it time and this site and others will dissapear as their PR is taken from them.


 12:17 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

zeus - in your opinion, do you think we'll see the new serps back on the main google any day soon? I sure hope we do as for my site, the results are MUCH better than what I currently have...


 12:18 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

lee_sufc, i think there is no way to know if new results will stick. i would say they are just testing it and once they check their metrics they'll decide

if someone is "felling lucky" on killing supplementals ... is better/faster to use 301 directed to the true url or 404 when you have thousands of dupe supplementals?


 1:36 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

i notice google.com and .co.uk are new using the new results - PLEASE GOOGLE - KEEP THEM! :-) anyone else seeing the same or am I just imagining things (which would not suprise me following the obessesion i've had over the past 3 months in checking my serps)


 1:43 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

lee_sufc - take it cool, google are just trying to fix there non www, 302,301 problems, those would maybe (lets hope) get into the next update which should start soon, but personaly I think the serps you see sometimes will not stay, there will be some changes, because some of the wrongfully filtered sites which maybe will get back into the serps also have to find there place, after they where killed by the googlebug 302.


 1:55 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

i knew i spoke too soon - the new results have gone again?!?!


 2:28 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

Lee_sufc, I've seen that too today. It's been on and off for a while now (over last few weeks I think).


 2:29 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

damn - i really got my hopes up when i saw the new serps...knew i shouldn't have! :-(


 3:10 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

The pot is still stirring on this one. I am slowly being de-indexed now. At the start of this, I showed 585 pages, then around 650, then nearly 800 (compared to 980 on Google.com).

I'm currently at 520 and nearly 100 of those are "old" supplemental problems(with fixes in for nearly 100% of these such as 301s and 410s). With only 420 pages on a site that has 1,010 this tells me we'er still in for some changes.


 3:42 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

Doing a check for the word 'shopping' on the test DC gives 3.3 BILLION results.
Doing it on default SE gives 747 million results. My default happens to be **.9.104

Maybe all possible results are showing on the test DC, so that they can get a better idea of how tweaking filters etc. will affect the SERP's.

On this basis, and if its the case, the test DC is as it says, a TEST DC, with no real meaning at present.

As it looks into canonical and other issues it will continually improve, revert, improve etc, IF it is just in test mode, until such a time as the results are considered satisfactory in the eyes of the technicians.

All theoretical, like so much in the forums, but food for thought. :-))


 4:48 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

can someone help me with something

for the past few hours, i've been seeing the results from [] on google.com and co.uk - on both my desktop pc and laptop but nobody else seems to be seeing the same?

what's going on?


 5:03 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

www.google.es is, but the serps are changing quite a lot.

Right now, a search for "site:mysite.com" in that DC returns only the main page, half an hour ago it returned 17000 pages...

Maybe Google will remain this way from now on... it's a good way to get rid of SEO, as the SERPS are continuosly changing, there is no way to know if any change in your site is good for positioning or not.

Ok, I was just kidding, but since Jagger Google has been very inconsistent, and there are no signs of change.


 5:13 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)


This IP for your default IP may be your default right now, but I am in Spain also, and my default changes all the time.

Right now its **.9.104 but 5 minutes ago it was different!

However, the results I am getting for the keywords/phrases I check are the same regardless of DC. It'll be interesting to see what they are like when I am in the UK later this month :-)


 5:16 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

same here seen a massive drop in page count

Also finding that getting new pages cached are taking a lot longer even using G's SM can't get new pages crawled despite it being on a strong PR5 site - one week and counting!


 5:53 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have been reporting the .co.uk behaviour on WebProWorld for a few days now.

Google.co.uk has been constantly alternating between - Test Data Centre and Jagger+ Data Centre.

If a search returns the Jagger datacentre you can refresh the page a few times to get the test data centre.

In my opinion the Test Data Centre index/results are far better, cleaner and with less canonical errors that the post Jagger index.

If you listening Google - go with this index it a major improvement.


 6:14 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

i've just noticed using mcdar that the new serps are now showing on 4 DCs...


 7:00 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)


What do you mean by 'new SERP's'?

I ask because Jagger was an update which finished around 18th November, and the next update normlly runs about 3 months after.


 7:08 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

sorry - i mean the Test DC serps


 7:43 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

"Google.co.uk has been constantly alternating between - Test Data Centre and Jagger+ Data Centre."

The same on Google.de with and

I have on Jagger+ and MCdar also the test data center!?


 8:27 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

Oh wow, I hope they let those results out soon.

My site is creeping up for pretty much all phrases I can think of relating to my niche... first page rankings for hundreds of phrases that bring traffic.

I'm sure it will all come crumbling down in the last few hours of the update however when they apply the same penalties that put me in the poor house in late September.

Google, if you can hear me - I'm about fed up with Top Ramen, how about some steak for awhile?


 8:31 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

Should I start worrying now or will there be any significant changes in the test results?

In my small sector the results could be a lot better. I see a lot of blog comment spam from 2004 ranking above relevant sites that have been in the top 10 since Jagger.


 8:50 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

Of course there will be changes in the test results.

First, they are poor quality. Much higher spam levels, and that never lasts.

Second, there is basically zero supplemental and canonical improvement there. If that is supposed to be the point, there isn't even a reason to talk about the test yet. They couldn't fix any problems with Jagger, so they really better this time around, otherwise it is just another meaningless reshuffling of corrupt data. And if it is just a reshiffling, then it will change with everflux, just like post-Jagger has been a lot of bouncing around.

Once we see some evidence of non-exsistent pages no longer ranking, and 301s for supplementals being obeyed, then there is something to talk about because we will have a real, major update.

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