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Is this a big google update going on?
watching the data centers

 8:14 pm on Dec 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

i'm seeing a big change in some data centers, looks awesome. this is one fine christmas gift.



 12:42 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

I see quite a few changes on some of my main kw where I have not ranked since Jagger.


 12:44 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well we know an update is brewing - but not really ready for prime time yet.

This is on DC -

Not really seeing much on the other dcs - except the normal strageness that follows my sites :/

Could be a little shuffle going on - but this will be insignificant compared to what G are trying to achieve on the test dc.


 12:58 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have really noticed a big slow down on spidering and new content being added to all other datacenters but the 2 test centers, seems like there just waiting for the switch and not adding much, anyone else seeing this.


 1:08 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

There is definetely some positive movement on the test DC for my main keywords. Some of the positions lost durig Jagger are slowly returning.

Can you say, index rebuild?


 1:44 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Maybe a rebuild/merge type thing.

Lets hope they get it right :) - there have been attempts at sorting the 301/302 Canonical issue and they have previously failed. :(

This look like a serious attempt though.


 1:54 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

If got rolled out across Google I'd be very happy - the rankings wouldn't be spectacular by any means, but at least they would be what I could reasonably expect given my BL's.

More important than that, though, is that the homepage ranks for the phrases it should rank for, instead of an inner page with no external BL's at all. That has been the most annoying thing about the Jagger update for me.

Other important pages on my site also rank for their targeted phrases. If you're out there GG, ask them to press the big red button to start this one out across the DC's...


 2:21 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Noooo - If you are out there GG - keep working on it before the roll out.

Things are moving in the right direction but not there yet - I would rather wait a few weeks for G to get it right :)

Also GG it wouldnt hurt to add more of the data crawled by Mozilla Googlebot ;) - only a tiny percent of my pages have been added :(


 2:42 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

I guess those here that like these results must be running an affiliate directory of some kind.

Just directory sites cleaning up at the top of the serps that i watch.

The results on as at today are worse than ever imo


 3:01 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>The results on as at today are worse than ever imo <<<

I agree. And on a site: mysite search it has too many supplementals still listed and pages that have been dead 8 months.

I think google will have something after the first of the year. Engineers aren't going to miss the holidays to sit around the office trying to figure out if everythings okay.


 3:10 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

The results for the travel keywords and keyphrases that I watch aren't much different from the results on the other data centers. (And I'm not talking about obscure terms--some have results in the millions or tens of millions.)

Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying the results are perfect; I just don't see the dramatic changes that some of you do.


 3:16 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)


Yes, results are not that much different yet - but it is the way Google is treating issues - eg 301s and Canonicals that is important on this DC - and the main aim of the dc.

EG - I definetly see less Canonical problems - however the ranking/serp improvements have not changed yet - whether this will follow is yet to be seen.

As MC said on his blog:-

"There are already some improvements, but there’s also a win to be gotten just because the infrastructure is newer/better and good foundation for future progress."

So at this stage maybe we are seeing the basis for the new index.

Win to be gotten? what does that mean?

But anyway - MC is hardly saying that the DC is anywhere near complete.


 3:23 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have a great results on, much more pages indexed on few sites etc - i would LOVE these results but all other DC's showing no changes.

This is a test DC or something? What results from that DC means - that they will come or its just a test and they have nothing to do with "normal" DCs?

I hope that soon all DCs will have a results like on, ouch what a christmas gift.


 3:26 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

This DC have a 16,700,000,000 indexed pages, all other only 6,750,000,000, almost 3 times less.

There was always situation like that on this DC? Or this means that soon Google index will blow.

I never looked at this DC so i can't say anything.


 3:38 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

last night I saw it switch jump back to the previous results for a couple of minutes (that have around 16M results) but the new results seems to have more than 81M and are much better, less garbage. sweet.


 3:41 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

81? 8-O

where do you get 81


 3:44 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Mcdar datacenters tool showing about 6.5M everywhere, test DC showing 16.7M...


 4:08 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

<< Or this means that soon Google index will blow. >>

Thus it was, googlebot crawled and crawled, and didn't bother to check and see how full the DC was, and it tried to put one more link in there, and ...


It was so loud, it could be heard for miles.

During the aftermath, it rained links for weeks.

Links where everywhere, all in the neighbor's yards, they clogged the streets, fields and pastures all around the city were littered with countless links, it was a mess!



 4:17 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

i will repeat:
That DC shows pages that do not exist since august and have already disappeared during Jagger.

URLs with affiliate IDs at the end rank very well sending the pages without IDs to hell by duplicate content penalty.

Apart from that, the results do not differ much from the present ones for me.


 4:59 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>I guess those here that like these results must be running an affiliate directory of some kind.<<<

Nope - one inner page with affiliate stuff and the rest is business/tech news (real written articles, not external feeds or scraped content).

I'm sure GG won't take any notice of my bleating anyway, and if there is to be a big index update, it won't happen until Google are good and ready.


 6:00 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yeah, lots is problems with that DC still.

As for end results, still: Way to many quality niche sites still not showing ... in fact, a bit worse in that DC right now than the Jagger SERP's (can't tell if it's spam filters taking out too many innocents, or issues related to Supplementals, or both; prolly both). And the geo stuff in some categories is a total mess.


 6:33 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Reseller's gonna love this!
just in time for christmas


 6:52 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

High, i just searched on that network and my website did register a hit.. (referer)

Strange, its the 3e time that i see this.. the other times i just thougth that is was coincidence but's not!

Note ; im not clicking on my Own SERP but google hits my website....

By the way, nice christmas and happy update!


 7:42 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

The test DC size is shrinking. They must be applying filters of some sort.

15,710,000,000 Currently for a search for: http


 7:50 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Lots of movement...


 8:18 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

The test DC size is shrinking. They must be applying filters of some sort.
15,710,000,000 Currently for a search for: http

A search for "the" shows 23 billions results in test DC, think google is becoming huge, Normal DCs show only around 10 billion results for the search "the"

Probably that is why matt named forthcoming update big daddy

Big index = Big daddy

A bit old news as on google's page "According to our internal testing, our newly expanded search index is more than three times larger than that of any other search engine. "

Yahoo claims to have 19 billion web documents, it seems now google atleast has 23 billions web documents.


 8:47 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yea, what a gift. My PR went from 4/5 (yea it fliped back and forth a lot) to now 6. It's only the toolbar, so it might be a Christmas joke. However, our site moved up 10 slots today from it's position yesterday.


 8:56 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Yeah, lots is problems with that DC still."

Zero supplemental improvement; probably a major negative as they seem to have many more "hidden" results (showing 401-429 of about 450).

Lots of affiliate tagged pages instead of canonical pages.

301s of supplemetals still not being obeyed.

Lots of other bizarre canonical problems, like site.com/ ranking with site.com/index indented.

Results moving around really seems pointless unless there is some progress on fundamental problems where pages are obviously not ranked properly.


 9:35 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yep. Frustrating to see.

For all their enhanced technical and algorythmic sophistication in recent years, IMO, their SERP's were better in 2002 than they are today. As BT noted in his robots blog recently (though the comment referred to Y! I think it applies to G too), a bit more back to basics, including "raising the relevance in the algo of kw's in titles, paths, and domain names"...might actually work wonders.

Me thinks the remote war on spam has been far, far too costly at home.

Never before have I so often defaulted to other SE's when all I want is simple, straightforward results. :/


 9:38 pm on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Anybody got some DC addresses they are seeing the changes on, I did a few quick queries on a few keyword combinations I track, and I am just not seeing anything I would be willing to call an update.

Back to watching

Edited to add,
Sorry, after re-reading the thread, and looking closer at the Serps. I guess I must be wrong, I did not realize reporting a change on a single dc, is an update. I would not consider the changes of the Serps on that DC as an improvement in quality of results.

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