| 10:38 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
At long last, our canonical problem has been rectified and correspondingly, our serps are back to pre-jagger levels...phew! Happy new year google (and also thanks for the card and prezzies!)
I sincerely hope everyone with similar problems have positive outcomes very shortly.
| 10:40 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
are these changes expected to be permanent?
| 10:51 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>>>At long last, our canonical problem has been rectified and correspondingly, our serps are back to pre-jagger levels
If you have only had it since the beginning of Jagger then that is not a long time - the problems hit in Algera time.
Must be a nice feeling to get your site back :sigh:
Yep - test DC not showing test results again.
Powerofeyes - I 100% agree - I think the test DC is where it will happen.
For a start I dont see any of the issues addressed that MC has been talking about on the other 2 dcs that have been mentioned.
But I must be missing something - I cant see anything unusual/worthy of comment on the DCs at all.
| 10:58 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
The Test DC when it was up was the only place I ever saw any changes in results.. My sites been gone since jagger and it was back in those results..nothing else has changed in the main google for me unfortunately..
| 11:03 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
see PR 7 for my site.
still bad positions but PR 7 since today. Is there going something on with PR update?
| 11:09 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|If you have only had it since the beginning of Jagger then that is not a long time - the problems hit in Algera time. |
Or two months before Allegra, in my case.
| 1:35 am on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Not all of us agree with your mindset: I don't see.. I don't hear... I don't talk... I don't think UNLESS Google tells me to do so :-) |
Nope I don have that mindset, Infact when you go way back in jagger thread i was one of the first person to bring this new DC into picture, So i do like watching DCs,
But I dont tell anyone keep watching these DCs, Keep watching these DCs, unless I am 100% sure, But you pretend to be google employee and you want people to watch the DCs which you like,
P.S the test DC is offline now.
| 5:19 am on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Google employee or not ... Reseller has kept me sane during this time of uncertainty with his help and advice ... plus his Cappuccino's have been of great value to me.
| 6:16 am on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Before the Jagger update my site dropped from position 15 to 35 then 84 now >500 for my best keywords! What is happening? I hope G are not done yet with their updates. I had been in the sandbox for a while earlier on. Could it be that I am back to some sandbox. The good news is that I am number 1 in yahoo and MSN for some of my keywords.
| 8:02 am on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Good morning Folks
Great WHITE morning. It has been snowing for the last 10 hours or so. Everything is white here. And I need to go out of the house and remove the snow in a cold weather, minus 3 degree C.
Still see much reshuffling on the DCs.
I also see a filter on the test DC. Try to run a query without a filter (filter=0) and you shall see different results. I like the "natural" results without that filter thing ;-)
Good morning colin_h
>>Google employee or not ... Reseller has kept me sane during this time of uncertainty with his help and advice ... plus his Cappuccino's have been of great value to me.<<
Thanks for the kind words my friend. Life is wonderful though more colourful with a cup of danish brand cappucciono :-)
Wish you all a great day.
| 9:10 am on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I have seen this peak in MSN & Yahoo positions also. Ever since I got bumped by Google my sites have been well looked after by many of the other big engines. Is this a deliberate tactic by competitive engines or just a fluke do you think?
| 9:20 am on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Hi Colin, It's great that we have some good experience with Yahoo and MSN. I believe it is God's way of restoring where G has taken - unjustifiably!
I hope G will do something as I don't like their algo at all. Though mine is not a new website, I think it is unfair for them to assume that all new sites should be sandboxed for a while or all new links need time to age. The problem with this is that some old sites with old info keep taking the top positions at the expense of newer more updated sites!
| 10:32 am on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
yep same here MSN & Yahoo is feeding me traffic although due to the surfer 90% of the time thinking G and nothing else I'm losing weight fast! but at least i'm still eating
| 10:38 am on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
dayo wrote: >>If you have only had it since the beginning of Jagger then that is not a long time - the problems hit in Algera time. Must be a nice feeling to get your site back :sigh:<<
Yes it is pure relief.
I am sorry you have had (and continue to have) the canonical problem but it will hopefully be some encouragement to know that once this was corrected, our serps returned immediately ie the two are linked. Good luck to all over the next few days.
| 10:43 am on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Yes, I am encouraged that some of the problems seem to have been sorted.
I dont think a site that has had the problem for a long time will come back that quickly - eg a good crawl or 2 will need to occur to correct the situation.
Anyway - test DC still not showing test results.
Hopefully next time it will show all the data crawled by Mozilla Googlebot - not just a tiny sample.
| 10:55 am on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
StriderUK, Thanks, but what do you mean by Canonical?
[ am sorry you have had (and continue to have) the canonical problem]
| 11:17 am on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I'm getting a tickle from corp.google.com today. Twice visited on the same page in about 30 minutes. I was under the impression that these are manual checks from google, but the visits are only logging as 0 seconds.
Anyone got any ideas?
| 11:27 am on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Kangs - I didn't write the following but it explains canonical nicely:
"Canonical essentially means “standard” or “authoritative”, so a canonical URL for search engine marketing purposes is the URL you want people to see. Depending on how your web site was programmed or how your tracking URLs are setup for marketing campaign, there may be more than one URL for a particular web page.
Sometimes if a domain is not setup properly, the domain URL (domain.com) and the www domain URL (www.domain.com) are considered individual web pages. Since both pages maybe indexed by Google - you could get hit for duplicate content and at the very least you would be splitting your link popularity.
The easiest way to protect your site is to redirect all forms of your domain to one “standard” URL - a canonical URL."
We implemented a 301 redirect at beginning of jagger because we had a canonical problem and this has now been fixed. Hope this helps!
| 11:34 am on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Has anyone else noticed that webmasterworld is back in the serps? I've also got WebmasterWorld showing duplicate pages when I search for a topic.
I have 481,000 pages on my default DC. I thought that WebmasterWorld had roboted google out.
[edited by: colin_h at 11:41 am (utc) on Dec. 29, 2005]
| 11:37 am on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
StriderUK, Ooh it is clear now. Many thanks.
| 1:01 pm on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
colin_h - see here:
I noticed the change about a week ago.
| 1:06 pm on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Has anyone the dropped in the late September timeframe made it back to previous results? I've made quite a bit of changes attempting to eliminiate duplicate content (leaking of pages, long story), but I suspect I've got other problems too.
Going on month #4 with virtually no traffic from Google. After spending 13 months in the sandbox, this is quite discouraging.
| 1:48 pm on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Billy: Yes, we did. In our case the problem was very obvious since we made it back from Allegra during Bourbon. We eliminated all possible dupe content last spring.
But one modification in robots.txt after returning sent us down in serps again. After fixing that we made it back.
| 1:53 pm on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
BillyS and all missing in action around Sept22
"Has anyone the dropped in the late September timeframe made it back to previous results? "
Yes, sort of. My Sept 22 site has its homepage back to its pre-22 position (more or less) for all its important searches.
Pages within the site, (in common with my other sites post Jagger) are not ranking at all.
I have implemented 301 on all my sites, and eliminated (again) duplicate content with other sites that stole my content.
I can also report an improvement with respect to the Suppemental listings I have been mentioning. The Index.html which was supplemental is now not listed (I redirected to site.com/) instead the site.com/ is listed and all (indexed) pages are now www.
I think I said before that although I have made changes to my sites during and since Jagger, I do not expect that these changes have affected anything.
I maintain that these problems have been Googles and they are slowly but surely getting to grips.
So, In summary, although things look like they are improving for Sept22/Jagger casualties I do not want to start jumping up and down just yet.
Futhermore, the problem I have with internal pages not ranking is another seemingly unrelated (Jagger) problem which as soon as we get any stability I will be looking into.
Thanks and good luck to all in 2006!
| 2:43 pm on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Here is one thing that I observed in the November / December timeframe.
In November, quite a few of my pages went URL only in Google. Spidering was also lackluster (1,800 pages in November, 3,700 so far this month).
The pages that are still URL only are blocked by robots.txt. I removed around 150 pages that might be deemed duplicate content (navigational pages).
I'm right on the edge of 1,000 pages (where the site: command is having a problem). Right now according to my sitemap, I've got 1,020 pages.
In November, Google showed 10,400 pages on the site. Currently it shows a more accurate value of 985.
I'm hoping all the spidering activity is a positive sign. Although nearly 1,800 of these are from Mozilla Googlebot.
| 5:21 pm on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Site has regained all rankings as pre-Jagger (plus some). I just did some site clean up as far as www vs. non www pages, went back to older pages and revamped.
The site was not hit by any prior updates (the site is 6 years old).
| 5:44 pm on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I am pretty sure if you catch the non-www problem early enough after the bug hits the Google index for your site then it does not seem to last that long (eg 1-2 months)
If left though the bug seems more ingrained when you finally do the fix.
Hopefully when the test dc comes back more bugs are solved.
| 6:01 pm on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
The test DC has been available to me all day. Kinda strange :-)
Thats assuming its 188.8.131.52 that you meant.
| 6:05 pm on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Those are not test results though - they went missing about 24 hours ago.
| 6:10 pm on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Uhmmm....how do I know if they are test results or standard results....apart from seeing possibly seeing varying results?
| 6:27 pm on Dec 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Uhmmm....how do I know if they are test results or standard results....apart from seeing possibly seeing varying results? |
Based on movements and improvements in that DC, Also Dayo has good experience in differentiating DCs, I agree with him, test DC is offline for more than 24 hours and this is not new, guys at google bring the DC online for testing and take it offline possibly for furthur improvements,
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