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Is this a big google update going on?
watching the data centers
eskipii




msg:747857
 8:14 pm on Dec 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

i'm seeing a big change in some data centers, looks awesome. this is one fine christmas gift.

 

claus




msg:747917
 5:44 pm on Dec 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Wait a minute. You guys can't seriously be speaking about an update when "the update" is on a test datacenter?

How about getting a mod to rename the thread to "Discussion of the new Google Testbed?"

The testbed/sandbox is very interesting and there's a lot to discuss, but as far as I can tell it's not the one sending traffic.

It's a new thing that Google has chosen to share with us (as well as with competitors), and that's nice. We don't even know for sure if it's here to stay. I wouldn't think of it as an ordinary DC. More like a place for the engineers to test stuff out in large scale, but still in a controlled environment. As Steveb said (#28), it's not even certain that the ranking scores are the right ones. And may I add, why should they be? If the focus of the current tests isn't ranking, why do that part "100%" if "half-baked" will do?

The thing with tests is that some fail and others pass. So, some of it may spread to other DC's and the rest of the Google ecosystem, eventually. Other parts may not.

Or, to spell it out: Be careful that you don't confuse a single prototype of a tree with the forest ;)

(FWIW, YMMV, AFAIK, MY2C)

NoLimits




msg:747918
 5:52 pm on Dec 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Claus - re-check the default Google.com...

There results are the same as the test DC.

I'm stoked. Now waiting for the holidays to get over to see if it sticks.

idolw




msg:747919
 7:32 pm on Dec 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

putting this DC live would be a nasty move. it is not better than present SERPs at all.

thecityofgold2005




msg:747920
 8:10 pm on Dec 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

The 'test' DC looks like it is without any filters and contains some seriously old sites.

Quit worrying about it!

steveb




msg:747921
 8:58 pm on Dec 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

It's still a test. The fact that it sometimes is on google.com doesn't mean much, other than it isn't purely a testbed that the general public won't see at all. It is being shown the public now, but clearly it isn't anything worthy of too much comment, both because of what Matt said, and because at this point it is just shifted results, not a fix of flaws plauging the core index.

claus




msg:747922
 9:51 pm on Dec 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

This particular time is probably the time of year with the least number of search requests. Christmas and all that

caveman




msg:747923
 12:27 am on Dec 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yeah, they seem to especially like testing things during slower periods as MC has noted previously (summer being another more extended slow time).

But this ongoing reveal of their testing is interesting and less seasonally dependant since as clause says, I'm not sure they always let these into the rotation, except enough to get the data they need..

Sometimes, I think what we see are certain filters being tested either by being pushed to limits, or being turned off altogether. I think they sometimes learn as much by seeing what happens when filters are turned off, as when they are dialed to extremes. Some of the test DC's we see seem like SERP's they might distribute; others, no way.

Dayo_UK




msg:747924
 10:11 am on Dec 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well I hope everyone is enjoying the over eating and over drinking season so far ;)

I guess the things that we should look out for in the test dc is better handling of canonicals and 301s etc.

For me I definetly have less Homepage Canonical problems.... but as others have posted and via sticky mail conversations not everyone is seeing this.

I guess/hope with time more of you see this improvement.

Still no rank for the pages though :(.

reseller




msg:747925
 5:24 pm on Dec 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Dayo_UK

>>Well I hope everyone is enjoying the over eating and over drinking season so far ;)<<

Eating and gaining weight..Yes. Over drinking..no ;-)

>>Still no rank for the pages though :(. <<

Then you have something to wish for yourself, tigger and other fellow members in your situations to come true during Feb. 2006.

You may wish also to start again posting your popular posts:

Listen Google! .. :-)

flicker




msg:747926
 4:15 am on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

I see that this test datacenter correctly interprets Unicode and UTF-8 characters. Awesome. Whatever else they may keep from this test, I hope they keep that.

syragon




msg:747927
 10:01 am on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing what seems to be jumps back in time to 6 months ago. Not sure what's going on. My personal site occasionally goes from its new pr6 back to the old pr5 and my company site from pr5 to pr0.

To me it doesn't look like an update but maybe they are just working on something.... anyone else seen this? It really looks like a snapshot of the past more than an update.

At least I'm hoping I'm not really PR0. :

.... ps its been a while since i was in the game, and the 7 exclusion filter doesn't seem to work for me in a search to show a website's position without any filters.... how do you show SERPS without filters nowadays? thanks :)

irishaff




msg:747928
 10:11 am on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ok, i just took a quick glance at that DC and on the words I take care of its full of Spam. Not worried about it though as its mine , unbelievably from sites i played with when i was a grasshopper at this game.. Dont see it sticking.

I also noticed a site thats meta refreshed rank along side its target.

Even though i do well in this index i hope it doesnt stick, or certainly that they only take some of the more positive things from it.

David

seochristine




msg:747929
 11:22 am on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

hi
I was just stunned to see a result as I was doing a search to send a few good cards to my friends. I searched for 'new year ecards" at 64.233.179.104.
The page displayed this:

"Results 1 - 4 of about 24,200,000 for new year ecards"

and only 4 pages were displayed, it seems that this DC has already blown off.

irishaff




msg:747930
 11:28 am on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

worked fine for me.

taps




msg:747931
 2:18 pm on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

I can see new results at
[64.233.183.99...]
[64.233.183.104...]

In fact my site seems to return slowly. First time since Jagger I can see my homepage first when doing site:www.mysite.xy.

Does anyone see new results on these DCs too - or is it just my site returning after three months of dupe content penalty?

cleanup




msg:747932
 2:43 pm on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Taps,
I can concur, my Jagger (Sept 28th) site is back for its homepage. Don't know how much to read into that.

I saw those results briefly two weeks before Xmas, just for a few hours.

taps




msg:747933
 2:52 pm on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

I see those results for at least six hours now. Better results on other DCs too :-)

Great results also on [64.233.179.104...]

Not all pages are back on any DC. But maybe the penalty is taken away from my site.

Dayo: Do you see anything new?

Dayo_UK




msg:747934
 3:30 pm on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Weird - this has made the homepage of WebmasterWorld in the manner it has.

We know there is an update brewing - not really a question of yes or no.

Taps - not much to add to what I said last night about some homepages coming back but not ranking.

One of my tests for sites that had problems is a site:www.domain.com www.domain.com search - I think that the www.domain.com(homepage) should be top on these searches.

For a lot of sites this is not the case - however switch to an advanced search and choose pages within the last 3 months and the www.domain.com(homepage) is coming first on most dcs.

Might be insignificant - but it might be that Google are getting to grips with the issue :/

Mozilla Googlebot pretty active over the Xmas period.

reseller




msg:747935
 4:08 pm on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Dayo_UK

>>Mozilla Googlebot pretty active over the Xmas period.<<

Well.. I told ya before that Mozilla Googlebot is Anti-Spam Detective, which mostly visit "suspected" sites.

Have you done anything with your site that Matt wouldn't recommend you to do :-)

trraju




msg:747936
 4:15 pm on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

by any ways does anyone thinks that the the domain name with www and without www is fixed.
i mean www.example.com and example.com is fixed?
i have seen almost all my sites showing same pr with www or without www after this update;

regards
trraju

Dayo_UK




msg:747937
 4:21 pm on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

reseller

But I dont think it is an Anti-Spam Detective bot.

spainly




msg:747938
 4:29 pm on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

hey taps :)

nice to hear you say : "I can see my homepage first when doing site:www.mysite.xy"

do you think all sites that do not show the homepage first when doing site:www.mysite.xy are penalized?

merry merry christmas

gralon




msg:747939
 4:38 pm on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

"do you think all sites that do not show the homepage first when doing site:www.mysite.xy are penalized?"

i'm pretty sure that's true (after doing some tests)

Dayo_UK




msg:747940
 4:44 pm on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>do you think all sites that do not show the homepage first when doing site:www.mysite.xy are penalized?

I am pretty sure that is true too.

Whether it is a penalty or a problem/bug is the issue though (IMO)

FromRocky




msg:747941
 4:51 pm on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

do you think all sites that do not show the homepage first when doing site:www.mysite.xy are penalized?

I don't think so. It may be a homepage penalized but not the site.

Dayo_UK




msg:747942
 4:56 pm on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

FromRocky

That is what makes me think it might be a problem - eg a homepage problem can maybe occur due to Homepage Canonical problems or a 302 hijack - most of these problems effect the homepage more than any other page.

For a penatly to be applied just to the homepage seems a bit strange and would be easy to get around - it also results in internal pages still being able to rank and outrank the homepage for its own site name.

A bit of a strange way of applying a penalty - but who knows for sure.

macdave




msg:747943
 5:06 pm on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Interesting observation on the homepage ranking for a site: search. As of this morning, I concur.

For as long as I can remember site:mysite.com has returned a very random sample of pages. As of right now it's returning the home page and a couple other important pages at the top. At the same time, in the last couple hours our Google traffic has come back up to pre-Sept. 22 levels, an increase of nearly a thousand percent.

Whether this is the effect of a filter or just an algo shift I can't say, but the site: ranking and our G traffic seem to go hand in hand.

Pico_Train




msg:747944
 5:06 pm on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've got pages disappearing in the index and others sticking around.

The word, whatever, once again returns to mind.

spainly




msg:747945
 5:07 pm on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

in my main site i can see that site:domain.com is returning the pages in a strange order (homepage not in first results and priorizing a tiny section of the web), in fact. All my others domain have a clear importance order in the site:domain.com results.
i am considering it not a penalty but a sign that google has index problems with my site ( supplementals and 301 ) . It only happens in my jagger affected domain.
i would like to hear any thoughts about this disorder.

Dayo_UK




msg:747946
 5:09 pm on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

spainly

That is my conclusion also. It feels like an indexing problem.

macdave

This is independant of the test DC though?

[edited by: Dayo_UK at 5:10 pm (utc) on Dec. 27, 2005]

taps




msg:747947
 5:10 pm on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

In my case I'm pretty sure that my site had suffered from a dupe content penalty. I made a mistake in my robots.txt last summer that allowed Google to crawl dupe pages (print and mail versions).

During that penalty my site's homepage never showed up first for site:www.mysite.xy. Now I see my site rushing back and the homepage is appearing first.

I think the penalty was site wide since my homepage was not duplicate.

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