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Google Myth & Paranoia
Share your innermost Google fears and see if you're just worrying....
devitnow




msg:776599
 3:10 pm on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ever get a bit paranoid about the all-seeying eye of Google? Ok, I'll admit it.. I do from time to time when I start thinking about all those datacenters with their thousands of computers.

As both a useful and fun exercise, I thought it might be helpful for us to post a worse fears and then hopefully learn from others who have more experience (and logic) how our fears should be dimissed as nothing more than a scary SEO campfire tales.

To keep this somewhat intelligent, please post your Google fear and also venture to explain Google's reasoning.

--- I'll go first ---

Adsense Login Paranoia

I'm paranoid that G logs my IP address from Adsense login and matches that IP address against searches I do in Google to discover what my keyword interests are. It then examines my site's content with my submitted keywords from search to see if there is a match between my site's content and logged keyword searches. Then, if it finds something about my site content it doesn't like, G applies filter penalties that are more severe than none Adsense sites.

Why I'm Paranoid:
I have this paranoia because I worry that somehow Google believes that both having AdSense account and searching in G for your site's keywords is somehow an indication of heavy SEO activity. In my mind, I imagine that G's ideal adsense publisher is a site owner who places the ad and goes on with their business without concerns of how well their content does in SERPs.

Hey.. I said I was paranoid.

Okay.. anyone else here with paranoia. Please share and perhpas we can learn from those among us with better experience and sounder thinking on search engine matters.

 

Powdork




msg:776600
 5:17 pm on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Checking through my stats last night I noticed a much larger than usual # of referrals from porn pill and gaming sites. While its most likely referrer spam, the first thing I think is that someone is hammering my site from these sites while viewing with Google's toolbar installed to make G think my site is related to these.

devitnow




msg:776601
 5:26 pm on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

That would be frightening if true and effective.

I can't even begin to the list all the paranoia I have about the Google Toolbar! I have read accounts of how it is believed by some the Google will visit sites that are unsubmitted for indexing and it's guessed that G learns of the site through visits from toolbar installed browsers.

Kelowna




msg:776602
 5:49 pm on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

My fear is about getting my site removed for buying advertising over the holidays. Google says build the site for humans but we must keep googlebot always in mind.

I have just bought banners that link to my site on 1.5 million pages and had to use a landing page with a nofollow tag... not for humans... but for google so they don't think that I am gaming them. I am hoping the nofollow tag keep them to just banning one page and not the whole site...(again)

In a world without google I would simply link to my main page without worries, with google I need a different page altogether to avoid them frowning on my attempt to gain visitors the old fashion way... so much for their saying of building pages for humans and not se's

headache1987




msg:776603
 6:17 pm on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'd tell you but then I'd have to kill you...

Sorry could NOT resist

LOL

texasville




msg:776604
 6:49 pm on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

"paranoid= (or more accurately persecutory) ideas do not constitute a psychotic symptom unless held with delusional intensity (eg someone who feels spied upon).
Now what makes you people think you are paranoid. These are very real probabilities. These things and more are more than likely happening.
As I was saying to my therapist just the other day..."Doctor....

twebdonny




msg:776605
 7:04 pm on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Filters...Filters...Filters....

I SEE Filters Everywhere

Filters...Big uns...Little uns..Filters....

Ohh yes Oh Mighty Google, U Say they Don't
Really Exist...is that just to calm my anxious
mind?

Filters everywhere....ohhh myyyyy

jadebox




msg:776606
 7:12 pm on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

My fear is that they are going to kill many real content sites by destroying any chance they have of making even a little money off affilate or AdSense ads. For example, I created a site about a music artist. It is (barely) supported by affiliate links and AdSense. Today, Google started displaying a fake result in the first position of the SERPs which links to sources for the artist's CDs and links to sites illegally reproducing the artists song lyrics.

-- Roger

joeduck




msg:776607
 7:25 pm on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

My great fear about Google:

First, massive spam onslaughts cause Google to accept huge amounts of collateral damage for legitimate sites.

THEN, Google's market share insulates them from the needs of the web community and makes them immune to criticism.

THEN, Google fails in their CLEAR OBLIGATION as a MARKET LEADER to provide basic and thorough support for sites they have delisted or downranked.

THEN, People accept all this and fail to rant against it because people are sheep, sucking up to Google and thinking stupidly that search rather than content is what the web is all about.

THEN, even otherwise intelligent people often argue, in dumbfounded stupor and ignorance of historical precedent, that Google has no obligation to the community to work hard to identify the damage it has caused and to effectively deal with the problems it's dominance has created.

Wait - this is not a nightmare - it's happening RIGHT NOW!

Yes, they do have a new program to communicate with damaged sites but it's weak and small. Support system does not provide access to problem solvers, rather to canned info

BillyS




msg:776608
 8:30 pm on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Here goes:

I afraid to buy text links to bring in additional traffic because Google might view these as an attempt to buy PR.

I'm also afraid to sell text links for the same reason.

It's ridiculous to think that we need to be afraid of advertising for ourselves or others. Personally, I could care less about PR, it's traffic that counts.

I've also taken off the Google toolbar because I'm afraid that Google is tracking my keyword interest.

BillyS




msg:776609
 8:37 pm on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Oh yeah, I completely freaked out the other day because I clicked on someone's advertisement (not on my website) when searching for something on Google.com. I was looking to buy something (which I did) and accidently clicked the ad when trying to copy the url out of the advertisement.

Even though I spent like nearly $1,000 on the website, I still beat myself up.

webdude




msg:776610
 8:42 pm on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Just like the Wizard of Oz...

Penalties, filters and bans... Oh My!
Penalties, filters and bans... Oh My!
Penalties, filters and bans... Oh My!

arubicus




msg:776611
 8:48 pm on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am affraid to put anything on my site period. I just have blank pages now...crap this can be duplicate content! Now what do I do?

devitnow




msg:776612
 8:57 pm on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm also afraid to sell text links for the same reason.

I worry about that too. I worry that linking to sites outside my content is seen as PR selling by G.

cabbie




msg:776613
 9:26 pm on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

LOL Arubicus.
I am paranoid that I can't interlink my sites that have adsense for seo purposes.I'm worried that google uses their data to discount links between sites on the same adsense account.

Powdork




msg:776614
 10:21 pm on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Now what do I do?
On each page put a different Google Holiday logo to link to Google. Underneath each logo write an homage to something googly, like the spider, or the algorythm, or the mission statement. They'd have to be ok with that, wouldn't you think?

Oops, I guess not [google.com]

emodo




msg:776615
 10:32 pm on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

My greatest fear is that one of these days Google is going to launch some new program or application which basically makes my stuff completely unprofitable or irrelevent.

As an example, classified ad sites come to mind.

Hobbs




msg:776616
 11:26 pm on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

>and see if you're just worrying....

This is rediculous, I came here for comfort for my Google Fobias and instead you guys managed to add to the sum of my fears!
When does the good part start?

viggen




msg:776617
 11:36 pm on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

no more fears for Brett ;)
[webmasterworld.com...]

cheers
viggen

King of all Sales




msg:776618
 1:08 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

My greatest Google fear is that next Halloween, Matt Cutts will dress up like the Dread Pirate Roberts, making it impossible for me to ever watch the Princess Bride again.

colin_h




msg:776619
 2:57 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ny greatest fear is that google will, one day, stop listing text crammers, interlinkers and webwasters who write 100'000 pages about 1 widget ... and instead list good honest content from real people. This could lead to a general change towards a nicer world, where individuals are rewarded for their integrity and not their eye for a con.

I also wish the world could sing in perfect harmony, and we could all Grow apple trees and honey bees
And snow-white turtle doves.

Hang on I need my medication ;-)

Ledfish




msg:776620
 5:30 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

I agree with others, especially after Matt Cutts recent blog comment about links that:

My fear is that buying advertising(not just link buying) on other related websites will hurt me unless the site owner is enough of an SEO God to use the "rel=nofollow" command.

Like wise, I fear that if at somepoint I should decide to sell advertising on my site, that I will also be penalized by Google for selling links especially if I don't use the "rel=nofollow" standard.

My greatest fear is that Google is creating a very real need that all webmasters must have advanced education in SEO and a minor in Google SEO do's and don'ts in order to have a chance.

Shurik




msg:776621
 6:07 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

My fear is that i will not live long enough to see my sites released from the sandbox.

colin_h




msg:776622
 6:34 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

My fear is that I might run out of coffee, wine and tranquilisers before this mess is over.

;-)

arubicus




msg:776623
 6:35 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey, what a coincidence! I also fear that you will not live long enough to see your sites released from the sandbox.

I also fear that nasty Google updates will affect my finances as well as my sexual performance.

MHes




msg:776624
 10:27 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

My fears:

1) Competitors read this forum
2) Google removes the sandbox effect ;)
3) Google sorts out canonical urls ;)
4) 'Stickyness' becaomes part of the algo.

Total Paranoia




msg:776625
 11:08 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

My DREAM thread - this was made for me - but where do I start? :)

T_P

rjkdesign




msg:776626
 11:21 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google and Yahoo are the same company.

LostOne




msg:776627
 11:57 am on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

"I've also taken off the Google toolbar because I'm afraid that Google is tracking my keyword interest"

Oh geez, you got me spooked on that one. Bye, bye toolbar.

zCat




msg:776628
 12:35 pm on Dec 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Fortunately for my existential angst, Google's search index has long ceased to be a factor in my SEO activities.

However I do have half-a-dozen different browers and browser profiles which I use for different activities. There's my "main" browser (the one with the lifetime Google cookie), my Firefox profile with the Google toolbar (only use that for occasional PR checks), my Gmail profile, a completely different browser I use to log in to Google's advertising-related services, and another Firefox browser with Javascript permanently switched off. Possibly one or two more. Oh, and I blocked access to google-analytics.com at DNS level.

Not that I'm particularly paranoid, but I've done work on user tracking stuff, and if there is someone particularly desperate to get hold of my browsing habits, they're going to have to put some work into it.

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