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Do Backorder Domains Retain Pagerank?
Do domains backordered through the usual suspects retain PR
hughie




msg:763921
 2:29 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi There

This has probably been asked a few times but..

I am looking at backordering a few domains through the usual channels. A couple have their expiry dates set at next year but the backorder dates are coming soon.

if i bid for these domains will the current page rank and links and potential SERPS remain if i win the auction?

My prior understanding is that if a domain is un-registered then all previous inbounds are null and void, is this the case with backorders where the whois says registered till x/06?

Cheers,
hughie

 

Receptional




msg:763922
 2:33 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

The problem is that to getthe domain, you need to change the whois info (AFAIK) and that is what kills your PR and history - at least for a while.

Buyt if the inbound links still exist... and will continue to exist... then biding your time might eventuially have some rewards.

fischermx




msg:763923
 2:34 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

If they retain the links, yes.
The PR will be zero when you setup the site, but in the next Google update, if the backlinks are still there, the PR will recover to be as it was before the drop.

hughie




msg:763924
 8:59 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sounds promising then, thanks for the input

regarding domains losing their PR..
I bought a domain about 3 months ago via a private channel and moved it across to my server. I left the owner details as they were for 2 months, I then changed them over to mine, my rankings were not affected in the slightest. Is this usually the case?

Cheers,
hughie

arran




msg:763925
 9:04 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is this usually the case?

Yes - the domain did not expire.

fischermx




msg:763926
 9:28 pm on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Changing ownership do not affect rankings, ever.

hughie




msg:763927
 10:06 pm on Dec 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

cheers for the advice guys, nice domain purchased for a little more than i would have liked but you have to speculate to accumulate!

Cheers,
hughie

Receptional




msg:763928
 8:11 pm on Dec 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Changing ownership do not affect rankings, ever.

Well - the beauty of webmasterworld is that we all have different experiences. I disagree, but I could be wrong.

Webwork




msg:763929
 11:44 pm on Dec 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Receptional is never wrong.

But I am sometimes.

fischermx




msg:763930
 11:49 pm on Dec 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ok, rephrased :

In my experience, changing ownership has never affected rankings, ever.

caveman




msg:763931
 5:08 pm on Dec 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think it depends on each individual case. G is not going to have an issue with a good clean site being bought by a new owner, who keeps the site in tact and keeps improving it over time.

But new WHOIS info is almost certainly a trigger for a site to be flagged and watched. If a site's WHOIS reflects new ownership, and shortly thereafter, substantial changes occur on the site, guess what? ;-)

There are other issues to consider too, like what the other SE's do, if anything, with this data.

Receptional




msg:763932
 7:16 pm on Dec 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

LOL - I am so often wrong. But thanks for the vote of confidence. I don't know my php from my asp, but here's what I heard. In the Engineer's lunch in N.O. I stuck like glue to Paul Ahaare - who seemed to know enough about the algo for me to realize nobody knows the effect of an algo tweak until it is tested. Someone asked whether buying expired domains was penalized by Google. He said (I paraphrase) "Ah - yes, unfortunately that is a problem"

He didn't say if it was a technical problem, or an ethical problem, but I got the feeling that a change to a domain whois is liable to set the slate clean.

Now - if a site is decent, and real, and doesn't change its content as soon as the domain info changes, I agree with people above that the site will recover quickly. If the content is all new and the inbound links are about as genuine as a Swiss navy, then I get the impression this would be a problem.

But - and let's be honest here - I haven't bought a domain name where I wasn't starting from scratch anyway, so yes - I could EASILY be wrong.

Now the other mods have moved this into the mainstream forum (thank guys), I bet I'll find out in true "let's pick on a mod - he might be wrong" kinda style. :)

Please be gentle. I don't get into this forum much...

nsqlg




msg:763933
 6:05 am on Dec 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Before the domain be free is flagged as PENDINGDELETE (after the REDEMPTIONPERIOD), so Google as registrar will know this change of course. The simple change of owner doesn't affect I guess.

martinibuster




msg:763934
 6:39 am on Dec 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Wait a minute. Isn't backordering snapping up a domain after it is deleted? I did a backorder with GoDaddy on an expiring domain and got it for eighteen bucks. The PR was toast but it ranked in other search engines.

Changing ownership do not affect rankings, ever.

I'm not sure about the ever part, but I have experience purchasing several non-expired domains direct from their owners and haven't encountered any problems.

hughie




msg:763935
 5:21 pm on Dec 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

The threads alive again! ;-)

This domain still seems to have retained its pagerank(5) but it is yet to rank in google although it has been re-spidered. The domain didn't actually expire, it seems( i may be wrong) snapnames registered it for 1 year in order to put it through the auction.

it has started to pick up traffic off the other SE's although there is only a few pages online so far.

The proof will probably be in the pudding 3 months down the line when the site is up and running for proper and the engines have had a chance to take stock.

Another thing to note is that the site content will be similar to the previous incarnation so again may help matters.
cheers
hughie

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