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missing homepage
I've noticed many sites in my same prediciamate
jlander




msg:738040
 4:29 am on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

My homepage (www.mysite.com) has been absent from g for some time. When you search for www.mysite.com, you get:

Sorry, no information is available for the URL
www.mysite.com

My other pages are listed, but when my homepage fell out of the index, they lost position. For my main keywords, at best, I was around # 30. Now I'm around #97. In the last pagerank update, my internal pages went from PR3 to PR4.

A few weeks ago, I noticed that some other sites show the same thing (missing homepages), and yesterday, I found that a few of my competitors (who are from #30-#97) also have missing homepages.

I removed some duplicate content and fixed the non-www/www thing. I found a site that was using the text from my homepage and I got it removed. I also removed all of my links pages. Someone talked me into using an ASP link exchange. All these changes were done more than 2 months ago.

Is my missing homepage because of something I did, and now that (hopefully) it is fixed, will come back after some penalty expires, or is it something "wrong" with g?

BTW, my site is doing very well in both Y and M as far as ranking, but traffic is light.

 

jlander




msg:738041
 1:54 am on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

bump. I was hoping that someone could tell me if my predicimate is my own, or am I in the same boat as a great many other webmasters...

followgreg




msg:738042
 2:38 am on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)


That's kinda interesting I'd say because I noticed a few website with the same issue since Jagger3.
Obviously these sites are on competitive markets but they don't use any "trick" to improve rankings, still they look like penalized, really weird!

I don't have much addition to that man I'm sorry, it could be a glitch or a 302 hijack (which is also a glitch of course)

sailorjwd




msg:738043
 2:39 am on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

I had a dup content problem with my homepage... killed most of my site from Feb to 1st week of Oct. Homepage is still suffering a little but is coming back.

imweb




msg:738044
 2:46 am on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

I had the same problem. After I had a 301-redirect setup from sitedomain/index.html to sitedomain/, my homepage come back in the index.

If you do not have 301 redirect for your homepage, I suggest to do so.

followgreg




msg:738045
 2:52 am on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)


>>imweb: are you positive concerning the redirect of /index.html to / , have you tried it on other websites?
Just want to find out more, interesting case I believe :)

imweb




msg:738046
 6:49 am on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, it works on 2 sites.

jlander




msg:738047
 12:06 pm on Nov 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

After you fixed all of the issues (dup content, 301 ridirects) how long did it take to come back.

I fixed all of mine pre-jagger. My homepage came back for a week during jagger1. Then it dissapeared again.

stevelibby




msg:738048
 8:49 am on Nov 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have had exactly the the same issue reguarding my web site, i have also noticed that my back end pages get updated, and when you search you see the listing, if you then click on the cached it cant find the page, anyone have this issue?

jlander




msg:738049
 3:04 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I might be comming out from some kind of penalty because my homepage just showed in the index with a cache date of Nov 29. When searching for my domain name, sometimes it is showing up and sometimes it is not.

Is G updating?

followgreg




msg:738050
 5:15 am on Dec 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think that Google returns few weird things recently.

for example I know of a site which has ridiculous competition (like 5 webpages have the same KW's between quotations "my keyword") - The site appears in the listing with quotations but is not even in the first 1000's listings -

Well, it is 4 months old and no trick, a few backlinks all natural, a nice business ----I say ok...sandbox...alright but there should be a limit to that right? Because ranking higher porn sites (for the same example above) just because they are not sandboxed anymore although totally unrelated does not make the SERP relevant.

What I'm saying is that Google should eventually revise their algo once again - same with missing homepages, could be a penalty, could be a bug, could be back to the sandbox for whatever reason. I'm in a dark mood today!

imweb




msg:738051
 10:05 am on Dec 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sorry not coming back promptly.

After you fixed all of the issues (dup content, 301 ridirects) how long did it take to come back.

It took a few days. In fact I asked 301 redir. questions in WebmasterWorld (Apache Webserver), got the answer, did an update in my .htaccess file. And my homepage appeared in G index a few days later.

Dayo_UK




msg:738052
 1:44 pm on Dec 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

jlander

Intresting that you see your homepage return after a long absence.

I have seen this on some sites too - dont really know what to make of it yet - I would assume encouraging - however, the homepages are not ranking and the rest of the site is still suffering badly on the sites I have seen.

Whether we need a new PR update - or just wait for improvements I dont know.

It is like Google have done half a job....

Hmmmz.

ramachandra




msg:738053
 4:48 pm on Dec 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

If I search by my "domainname" my website url will list on 4th page with title and desc. Previously it use to show only URL that too on 5th page.

I have done a 301 redirect from non-www to www but still... Is this a dup. content penalty?

jlander




msg:738054
 10:10 pm on Dec 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

My homepage is still in the serps. J I don't know if I just came out of some penalty, or if G fixed something.

About 2 months ago I had fixed EVERYTHING that I even remotely thought G didn't like. I found a www, non-www problem, duplicate content problem for the homepage, my affiliate problem was causing duplicate content problem, and I was a participant in an ASP link program. I don't know which, or if all caused my homepage to drop out. After fixing as much as I could, and still had not been re-included, I submitted a re-inclusion request. My homepage showed up for about 3 days and then disappeared again till last week. I don't know why it is back, but thankfully, it is.

Rainie




msg:738055
 2:42 am on Dec 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've done everything I can since my most popular site took a devastating hit around the beginning of February. It was 302 hijacked and someone else copied my entire site (all unique, handwritten content) to a different domain. (That's a whole 'nother story!) When I discovered these two separate problems, I took action immediately they were quickly remedied.

After that, Google was indexing my pages as both www. and non-www. I moved servers (had to) so that I could implement a 301 redirect from non www. to www in early May. After that, Google indexed my home page with some jibberish and the end. I fixed that too with the .htaccess. The other pages have been coming out of supplemental slowly.

It appears that Google refuses to index my "real" home page. I'm still waiting but do have some hope as I've seen it indexed properly (current cache and all!) on some datacenters in the last couple of days. It's the first light at the end of the tunnel and I dare think that someday, all will be indexed properly. Since the hit, it's relied soley on the other engines, which seem to have no problems with my site whatsoever.

Stefan




msg:738056
 2:51 am on Dec 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm still waiting but do have some hope as I've seen it indexed properly (current cache and all!) on some datacenters in the last couple of days.

Congrats, Rainie. That sounds very promising. It's good to hear a success story on 302-hijack/canonicalization-problem recovery. Your approach was the one usually suggested as being the best bet.

And welcome to WebmasterWorld.

Rainie




msg:738057
 6:38 am on Dec 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks Stephan,

I've had my hopes up before... Still, many of the "test" DCs show the best results I've seen since the problem began and my fingers are crossed.

During updates, when many people were checking their rankings, I was checking my canonicals, still am - LOL ;-)

I've followed alot of advice from WebmasterWorld members. Many of you are truly professionals and I appreciate that. I didn't see the problem coming and ignorance was not bliss for me.

What else I learned was to take pre-emptive measures and get the fixes in place on my other sites before any problems began. So far, so good...

I guess Google just needs help! It has a long way to go yet but I do see progress on the long and winding road (hopefully) back.

Dayo_UK




msg:738058
 10:17 am on Dec 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, the most encouraging thing about the update so far is that Google has been able to crawl more homepages.

They dont seem to have any power though (yet) - hopefully this will come with time.

black




msg:738059
 2:16 pm on Dec 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've the same problem; after jagger 3 several my websites completely disappeared from the index (about 8,9 many completely unrelated). Searching for site:sitename returns no results and I can't find my website with any search term (0 traffic from Google)

Googlebot don't crawl my pages anymore; but there is the google news crawler coming to my homepage every 15 minutes and about 4-7 news/day are showed.

I've corrected some dup pages problem; I've not any problem regarding www not-www (I use a 302 redirect).

Today is a month out of the index and I'm in pain; 5 people works on the website and the traffic is 70% down.

Checking for the cached pages I see that they are always 5,6 days old (crawled not from the standard googlebot, but from google news bot)

A reinclusion request has been useless, a month ago I received the standard response...

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