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Update Saga. Part 6
selomelo




msg:719571
 6:25 pm on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)



Continued from:
[webmasterworld.com...]


The same down-and-on problem here in Turkey.
But j3 goes on and off. No steady results. At least three different sets:

216.239.63.104 (I think with additional tweaks)
64.233.161.104 (still J2)
64.233.179.104 (J3)

 

reseller




msg:719781
 8:47 am on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Alert Orange..on a sunny Sunday :-)

New serps are emerging (within the sector I watch) at the moment at these two Dcs and my google.com (one of the same two mentioned IP: 64.233.183.104)

64.233.183.99
64.233.183.104

Good luck all.

And my usual song...

Oh Google! You Are Simply The Best.. Better Than All The Rest (i.e Yahoo, MSN etc..) :-)

taps




msg:719782
 9:28 am on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sunday...check
Sunny...check
New serps...
New serps...

Sorry I don't see them. But maybe they will show up for mee too this sunny and cold sunday.

Dayo_UK




msg:719783
 9:53 am on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>Oh Google! You Are Simply The Best.. Better Than All The Rest (i.e Yahoo, MSN etc..) :-)

More like simply the worst - worse than all the rest (ie.Yahoo, MSN, Gigablast, Searchhippo)

Google still cant fix Canonical url, supplementals and hijacks.

Until they do they are rotting away. Shame. :(

reseller




msg:719784
 10:09 am on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Dayo_UK

>>Google still cant fix Canonical url, supplementals and hijacks. <<

We Google.com lovers have found a very smart way to deal with canonicals & supplementals issues.

We deny the existance of Canonicals & Supplementals issues. They just simply don't exist. Therefore no need to fix them.

How about that smart solution :-)

zikos




msg:719785
 10:09 am on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

"And my usual song..."
reseler is becoming boring your Worshipping to Google everyday.They are not the best nobody is the best ,they have done a good job by marketing there engine ,they change the roules of doing business on the web,and they become greedy-big mistake-.Many people here suffering from Google and more people will have a S£$%^it Christmas because of Google.So if you want to worrship the right One better go today Sunday to a church .

zikos




msg:719786
 10:11 am on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

"We Google.com lovers have found a very smart way to deal with canonicals & supplementals issues."
This forum is to help fellow webmasters ,why don't you share your secrets too so we can fix ours as well?

Dayo_UK




msg:719787
 10:14 am on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>We deny the existance of Canonicals & Supplementals issues. They just simply don't exist. Therefore no need to fix them.

Yes, there are people denying it is a problem.

I suppose it suits some people that it is not fixed.

reseller




msg:719788
 10:18 am on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

zikos

>>reseler is becoming boring your Worshipping to Google everyday.<<

Rumor has it that those webmasters who are worshipping Google might receive a special Google T-Shirt, WebCam, 7 waves radio and even a whole year supply of Cappuccino :-)

taps




msg:719789
 10:27 am on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

zikos,

we all can need a good portion of optimism and humour. It makes it a bit more bearable. There are many more people here losing a lot of money because they lost their serps.

Don't blame reseller for things Google does wrong.

Gimp




msg:719790
 10:55 am on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Can we try to keep this thing to facts? We don't need hype and self promotion. We need facts on which we can base decisions. We need facts that tell us where Jagger 3 is and what the problems are that people see. We have to come up with solutions not hope. Hope does not pay the bills.

There are probably a lot of people watching this and not commenting. Many may be totally confused and foolishness only makes it more confusing.

Is jagger3 done but for the flux or are they still tweaking and playing?

What has it not solved, if it is time to be able to make a firm decision rather than a wild guess?

What has it solved?

What do we do to get out of this mess?

Whether we pay for Google or not, we relied on them. They are now keeping us in the blind. Now the blind have to lead the blind so we can survive.

colin_h




msg:719791
 10:59 am on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm on my 5th attempt to beg for re-inclusion from Google today. I've spread them out over the 5 months that I've been out ... so I don't think I'm a stalker [yet].

In my emails I have explained every single thing that could have upset googlebot (and how my new design should have solved any conflicts) and even explained my domain name with is based on a local dialectic phrase and may need some de-cyphering.

I am officially calling this my last effort in this matter, so far, fruitless direction. I'm truly fed up with working on the problem and if this begging letter doesn't work ... I'm doing no more.

Holiday coming up next week, so time to consider the future. I seriously am considering taking up a position working for our local council website. God I'm depressed ;-)

I have a few positives ... MSN is picking up site changes faster than ever. The other morning I made a title change to my index page and [no lie] it was re-listed and highly placed by 7pm in the evening. No spam or tactical text and number one for "'Local City' Tourist Information" ... very good work.

Even Yahoo seems to have upped their game since the Jagger updates. I'm seeing inclusion of local sites that haven't ever been considered by them in the past. Plus only 1 week from submission to index page listing of a brand new site ... for Yahoo a real achievement ... Good Job.

I'm sorry Reseller, but I just don't agree that google is simply the best anymore. Maybe 12 months ago, but not now. I have sites listed on google, but I have to compete with far more spam than compared with the other big guns. I think that if respected forum members like yourself stopped praising them for a while, they might take notice.

All the best to all

Colin :-)

JuniorOptimizer




msg:719792
 11:11 am on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

" Can we try to keep this thing to facts? We don't need hype and self promotion. We need facts on which we can base decisions. We need facts that tell us where Jagger 3 is and what the problems are that people see. We have to come up with solutions not hope. Hope does not pay the bills."

IMHO, the update is definitely over. It's time to work on recovery.

From what I saw, Jagger disallowed the anchor text from "some links". Many pages that I had that dropped in rank have links with exact anchor text and are no longer there. I also have always used repeat nav menus with exact anchor text. I haven't changed anything, though, because my allinanchor is still high for all phrases and I'm recovering gradually.

reseller




msg:719793
 11:19 am on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Gimp

>>They are now keeping us in the blind. Now the blind have to lead the blind so we can survive. <<

Well said :-)

As one of those blinds here is what I think:

Jagger is still there in a flux and maybe some tweaking. Sometimes we see what looks like new serps within specific sectors.

Soon we are reaching the everflux which might stay there until next update sometime around primo Feb 2006.

What Jagger hasn't fixed are canonical & supplemental issues which have been killing several fellow members sites.

Jagger might have solved mainly some spam related issues.

zikos




msg:719794
 11:20 am on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

reseler sorry if I made the previous comment ,but seiing how Google destroys innocent webmasters ,Google is not the best ,Google does evil.As about Caputchino I will offer you one on a sunny Sunday morning at KÝbenhavn's Nyhavn when I will be there.

reseller




msg:719795
 11:24 am on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

zikos

>>reseler sorry if I made the previous comment ,but seiing how Google destroys innocent webmasters ,Google is not the best ,Google does evil.As about Caputchino I will offer you one on a sunny Sunday morning at KÝbenhavn's Nyhavn when I will be there.<<

I understand and appreciate. And thanks a bunch :-)

lufc1955




msg:719796
 12:48 pm on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Colin h

Don't give up. What you have to bear in mind is that depending on what you did wrong in the first place you will be serving a Google ban of a certain length. The length of the ban depends on how bad your spam tactics were or what you have done to upset Google. Your reinclusion request will not be considered until your ban has expired. The ban could last 6 months or more. In my case the ban was lifted after 9 months but my rankings did not come back until the Jagger update, a total of 12 months!

billmarshall




msg:719797
 3:38 pm on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Further to what tigger and others have said about the google.co.uk results being particulary bad since jagger, I noticed something interesting today. After getting dreadful results for a 4 term search I tried adding AND between each term. Of course I got the usual stuff about it not being necessary but the results were completely different!

No better, just different. At 3 is a site with flash the only thing visible and hidden text using display:none. At 4 is a site about another country with two of the search terms not mentioned in the body text. Oh dear!

Brian




msg:719798
 4:07 pm on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

I get the impression that Wikipedia is getting better prominence on G, which I have mixed feelings about, as I think it is very unreliable in any area of controversy.

caran1




msg:719799
 4:22 pm on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

traffic to my websites from Google had doubled 2 weeks back with Jagger 3 but has almost disappeared now. Its almost as though there is no update now

straticus




msg:719800
 4:41 pm on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

My sites are doing ok on google, up or down a place, but I am not one of these people that says, that the results are good just because were doing ok.

When I look at the top ten for one of our keyword searches 5 of the sites are actual sites, that are not directories, three are directories with no content just links to others and the other two sites don't even have the looked up words on the pages, they are not hiding stuff in any way either.

Maybe they should get Tony Blair in to find these non existent words.

I hope google sorts out these problems, for the sake of those that have lost out.
Personally I don't like google at all, they are geting to big for their OWN boots.

Gimp




msg:719801
 5:01 pm on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

If you guys are seeing junk in the SERPS, I would imagine Google sees the same thing. And that says to me that those boys are not done.

So we just have to sit back and do what we can do.

petehall




msg:719802
 6:15 pm on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Things are starting to look more organised to me now.

Less home pages appearing on target Ted searches, and inner pages appearing instead.

Looks good to me again on the majority of searches now.

walkman




msg:719803
 6:19 pm on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> If you guys are seeing junk in the SERPS, I would imagine Google sees the same thing.

I hope so. Starting at the minute I found out that my site got hit, the SERPS have been full of spam

;)

Lorel




msg:719804
 7:55 pm on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)


This forum is to help fellow webmasters ,why don't you share your secrets too so we can fix ours as well?

Search for "stop 302 redirects" for instructions to remedy the situation(s). This also contains instructions on what you can do when a domain whois, used for illegal purposes, has false contact info.

Lori

reseller




msg:719805
 9:11 pm on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Good evening Folks

Your talk about spam just reminded me. It has been more than a week (or at least it feels so) since we have enjoyed together an anti-spam spot. To those of you who missed it so much, here it is :-)

Don't wait to send Jagger-related spam feedback; I'd send that now. Using the keyword "Jagger3" at [google.com...] will get someone reading and checking it out.

Don't keep Matt "Inigo" Cutts & Co waiting :-)

marketingmagic




msg:719806
 9:24 pm on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sending in spam reports is pretty much a waste of time. I've been reporting the same site for the last month or more and it's rankings have actually improved a little.

I don't think Google even reads the spam reports. At least thats my experience.

barretire




msg:719807
 11:04 pm on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Reseller just wondering are you a Google employee or do you just think kissing Googleguys A** is really going to help you? If you think Googleguy ( Cutts) really gives you information you are wrong.. He does however get plenty of information watching these posts. So maybe I am wrong kissing his A** may help you... Keep on doing it reseller it is kind of fun to watch.

minnapple




msg:719808
 12:35 am on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

" Don't keep Matt "Inigo" Cutts & Co waiting :-) "

Tell on your neighbor, tell on anyone you don't like, just make sure you tell on someone.

Make sure that everyone becomes paranoid and starts telling on everyone else.

She-it it sounds like the red scare or other past periods in history that turned people into animals.

There has to be a better way of dealing with bad serps, than everyone joining the narco squad.

Yep, there are really bad guys out there, but for the most only a few of these seem to last. The others fall on their own swords in a short period of time.

MikeDammann




msg:719809
 2:54 am on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

This can become very dangerous and start causing the opposite effect. I can see Google drowning in anti-spam submissions like DMOZ in spam submissions. I think it's better to keep this on the downlow. Those who take this seriously won't have to be reminded again and again, reseller. I think it's a great tool to help Google sort things out, but like I've said ... do we really want to overannounce the opportunity to create more work for G?

Mike

stateless




msg:719810
 3:08 am on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

It looks like Jagger 3 has decided to have one last dance:

[mcdar.net...]

walkman




msg:719811
 4:40 am on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

reseller,
with all the praises, not to use another word, you sing Googleyour site should be on top by now. Maybe Matt doesn't like your nicknames...

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