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Update Saga. Part 6
selomelo




msg:719571
 6:25 pm on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)



Continued from:
[webmasterworld.com...]


The same down-and-on problem here in Turkey.
But j3 goes on and off. No steady results. At least three different sets:

216.239.63.104 (I think with additional tweaks)
64.233.161.104 (still J2)
64.233.179.104 (J3)

 

RichTC




msg:719751
 5:53 pm on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

tigger,

"maybe its just the terms I'm checking then but across a vary keywords the results on .co.uk are very poor pulling up Amazon, Ebay, Yahoo, handful of directories & loads of spammy cloaked doorways"

100% Agree with you, directory sites from the sectors i watch got a real push in google UK, many ranking very high, position 2,3 etc for big keywords. Its a joke when you see say 4 or 5 directory sites out of the top 10 for a term ranking high.

We use google for direct site answers not to find other search sites to get the answers. If thats what i wanted i would go to those directory sites in the first place!.

Overall the results were good just over a week or so ago until they added to the mix the additional weight factor for age over relevance and the push for directory sites.

I guess the answer now as google loves directory sites so much is to build one for your sectors and list your own sites in it - mind you with have that already (as any DMOZ editor knows! - Meooooow)

taps




msg:719752
 6:03 pm on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

mount: LOL - let me rephrase that: serps for horses are doing as well as serps for outdoor :-)

Anyway, an outdoor horse is nothing very unusual. An indoor horse would be.

annej: Maybe it isn't about spam but about the amount of pages that exist in an area like computers and money. Google will have to deal with a lot more pages about 'money computers' than about 'outdoor horses'.

reseller




msg:719753
 8:04 pm on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Dayo_UK

>>However, we must be in Post Jagger 1,2,3 mode by now.<<

And very soon approaching PRE-NEXT-UPDATE :-)

wordy




msg:719754
 8:30 pm on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

<<And very soon approaching PRE-NEXT-UPDATE :-)>>

Steady, reseller

I think we all need a break :-)

colin_h




msg:719755
 8:33 pm on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

***Mark my words***

MID-JANUARY --- SPAMMERS BEWARE!

YOU'LL BE WHINING ;-)

colin_h




msg:719756
 8:42 pm on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

You better rid your sites of that spam or you'll be sooooooo sorry ... *Mark my Words - I curse the lot of you*

AthlonInside




msg:719757
 3:38 am on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Happy Turkey Day! :)

minnapple




msg:719758
 3:50 am on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

colin_h

I truly understand your frustration, I have been wacked in business recently.

However the sooner you can let go of your anger, and refocus it on rebuilding your business the sooner you can get back on top.

I really mean this in a positive way, it took be a couple of months to get my head straight and recover lost income but in the end I came out better than before.

Wishing you the best.

testy




msg:719759
 4:30 am on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

My sites went up to 3000 uniques from 2400 in the last weeks.
Now it is beeing fastly dragged down. I have never seen such a downfall. It is a good content site.

It is frustrating....

followgreg




msg:719760
 5:29 am on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)


I have to admit that some SERP are a little disapointing from the latest tweaks in the algo...the J3.5 or something.

colin_h




msg:719761
 5:56 am on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks minnapple

I've totally rebuilt everything now. I suppose I was lucky that I got hit early in July and so have had time to get my head around it all now. I'm even playing with the idea of blocking googlebot from scanning my site now that I've had time to work on my value per hit ratio's.

It seems that Google wasn't really providing me with a great deal of income in relation to visitors coming from Yahoo & MSN. So all in all I've let my anger go now ... but I still can't stand spammers ;-)

Thanks again for your thoughts :-)

Gimp




msg:719762
 6:05 am on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Testy,

It seems that it is not content that Google wants. They want a site to be presented their way.

Google likes form over substance. If spam meets their requiements for form, they like it. If content does not meet their requirements for form, they trash it.

So we have to look at the form of sites at the top, be they spam or content, and change our forms.

Form is King.

reseller




msg:719763
 7:37 am on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Good morning Folks

Windy and cold this morning, but wouldn't prevent me of singing a last song for Jagger Update :-)

Well.. it seems that most of the DCs within the sector I watch have settled down at top and bottom. I.e stable at #1,#2,#3,#4 at the top and then the same site at #10. Very strange configuration indeed!

I guess not much left to watch other than the FLUX which shall end up as usual in an EVERFLUX untill the next update.

And the last song for Jagger might as well be some kind of:

Bye, bye miss American Pie :-)

burcot




msg:719764
 8:22 am on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Good morning Reseller,
It is also absolutely freezing here in Sheffield (UK)

Can you tell me.....are you seeing the Jagger 3 serps reflected in your local Google results?

Here in the UK I can see the new serps on mcdars tool, also on specific D/Cs, but ordinary Google searches show results nothing like Jagger

lee_sufc




msg:719765
 8:52 am on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

this may be a stupid question but i'll ask anyway...

with each dc, is there a way of checking so that here in the UK, I can see what the results would look like as I assume they are automatically displayed for .com results?

I think I saw a post a few weeks back with someone asking something similar and there was something you had to add onto the end of the address bar?

can anyone help with this?

[edited by: lee_sufc at 8:59 am (utc) on Nov. 25, 2005]

Gimp




msg:719766
 8:56 am on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

There are never stupid questions. There are only stupid answers. No one should ever be afraid to ask. If people don't ask, people don't learn.

wheelie34




msg:719767
 8:59 am on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

@ lee_sufc

&btnG=Google+Search&meta=cr%3DcountryUK%7CcountryGB

lee_sufc




msg:719768
 9:16 am on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

thanks wheelie34 - i was hoping by using that I'd see some improvements in our rankings...oh well...

i was really hoping we'd see some more flux in my industry as things seemed to have stayed vitually static for the past week or so - whereas other people are saying they're still seeing changes.

what I don't understand is, using allinanchor for my kws I am roughly where I was before. however, without it, i have dropped on all keywords - some by about 7/8 pages!

what is even stranger is, during these updates, my site has gone top 3 in all kws on msn and yahoo yet google has hit me hard for some reason - i have cleaned up meta descriptions, implemented a 301 redirect, removed dead links and got sites who were copying my content to remove it...all this effort has worked the opposite as I'd hoped!

reseller




msg:719769
 9:22 am on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

burcot

>>Good morning Reseller,
It is also absolutely freezing here in Sheffield (UK)

Can you tell me.....are you seeing the Jagger 3 serps reflected in your local Google results? <<

Good morning to freezing Sheffield :-)

My local google.dk covers mostly danish language sites, so its not a "standard" one.

However I get google.com here at the moment on IP 64.233.183.104 and it does reflect Jagger3, I guess. But it is also fluxing all the time.

zikos




msg:719770
 9:24 am on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

is not strange the GG have not made an apear yet to discuss abou the final results of this update? He usually does that after the update finishes ,why not yet ,does the update is not finished yet? does the update went somewhere wrong?

Dayo_UK




msg:719771
 9:27 am on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Using MCDar

I would still say Jagger3 is only on a handful of DCs.

However, others are saying it has spread to all (I agree that the site ordering has pretty much spread) - but other aspects of Jagger3 have not IMO.

petehall




msg:719772
 10:22 am on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)


lee_sufc
with each dc, is there a way of checking so that here in the UK, I can see what the results would look like as I assume they are automatically displayed for .com results?

I think I saw a post a few weeks back with someone asking something similar and there was something you had to add onto the end of the address bar?

can anyone help with this?

The best method is to place the IP address into your hosts file.

This will give you a 100% accurate picture of what a set of results will look like on Google.co.uk.

financialhost




msg:719773
 10:24 am on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

The best method is to place the IP address into your hosts file.

This will give you a 100% accurate picture of what a set of results will look like on Google.co.uk

How would i get the IP address for the US Google?

Where abouts in my host file would i place that?

Then i can goto Google.com and see exactly as US users or do i have to still place something on the end of the URL?

Id love to know the answer to these.

Thanks

lee_sufc




msg:719774
 10:49 am on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

its normally located in system / drivers / etc...then edit the hosts file using notepad

financialhost




msg:719775
 10:56 am on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

I know where it is located... but how would i find the IP address needed to place in there to see Google.com US user results from the UK?

Also where do i place the ip address... at the top of the hosts file?

Apprecated any help

taps




msg:719776
 11:18 am on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

financial:
1) search for 'mcdar' in google.

2) open "Google Datacenter Watch Tool"

3) enter a search term of your choice

4) click on "Search"

5) take a look on all the different datacenters. you'll see their IP addresses on top of each colum

6) click on "64.233.*", "99" and the other numbers on top of the page to see more DCs

7) take one IP you like and put it into your hosts file as last line

I hope you'll see good results.

zikos




msg:719777
 1:58 am on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

it looks like guys that was it , it's all finished quite and snicky as it begans.No comments no GG asking us about feedback.Let us close this chapter of our lifes.

Great_Scott




msg:719778
 2:19 am on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

What went wrong for some

I think a lot of sites have been hijacked by google. I just posted a new topic explaining the 302 Hijack problem and it may benefit some webmasters that cannot understand why their sites went totally off the radar.

302 Hijacked sites in google are in their hundreds of thousands.

This is an unfair duplicate content penalty by google on many websites and it is not as easily discovered by lost webmasters who simply cannot understand ranking one day and gone the next.

Lets hope the mods allow my post in as a new thread. It may have the answer to many a webmasters problems whos sites have gone off the radar.

At some time a few moths ago, google tried to disable methods of detecting the problem easily. But the problem is there, and worse than ever before. Hijacked sites are at an all time high. A hijacked site has no chance in raking and probably never recover because googles supplemental cache stays for ever. It is a death nail to any pagerank 5 or below website.

Not only that, but the domino effect that a dropped site creates. A webmaster may think he is unaffected, but he can be in the residual effect that a hijacked site creates. A link to or from a hijacked site can have a detrimental effect. In fact, a link from a site that links to a hijacked site loses value. The complex structure that google adds up tilts the scales in your favor or against. Google is the actual hijacker, no black-hat webmaster has ever achieved a sucessful hijack. Google is the culprit.

It is even in the interest of non hijacked sites to take an interest if any sites they are involved in is hijacked by google. If they are, it may also indicate why your site has been dropped in value.

.

Great_Scott




msg:719779
 4:02 am on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Addendum,

Here is a good example.

If you had a link from webmasterworld. You had a damned strong link as far as google is concerned.

But in this update, your site may have tanked as a result, because a change of server or whatever the owners did, this site is no longer in google's index. At least not at the moment. But it would have been a death nail to your website that ranked in the first page against stiff competition where a good link determined whether you were there or in oblivion.

If value of links around you have changed, your position in google's index can take a dramatic drop. If you are competing in a strong niche and you have hundreds of inbound links, hardly any link pointing to you is going to advise you that they are changing IP and server etc. Expect a drop in the next update if some do and if your competitors links improve instead, you go further down. A hijacked site within your circle of links will cause the same dramatic results.

It is just as important to take note of the well being of sites that point to you as your own sites well being. In fact, your website is at the mercy of other websites well being that you link to. It is a science and an art to keep tabs of exchanged links. Your reciprocal partner may have increased links, devaluing yours the next update. The problem is compounded the more links you have. Change of page title, errors by webmasters, blocking of robots. The list is endless. Some webmasters actually used to give pagerank away via reciprocal linking.

A hijacked website by google has exactly the same effect. But more deadlier to the hijacked site and all websites that are involved even remotely.

Google's patented algo takes into account what is called a diminishing aspect of a site and further demotes it.

So a hijacked website affects all webmasters remotely connected to a hijacked website. You could say it is contagious, like a virus, except for the sites that are clean out of any involvement by virtue of "luckily" linking to non hijacked sites, and luckily not beeing scraped as much by redirecting sites. In many cases, it is not webmasters that tank their websites with bad SEO. It is google itself. And there is little you can do about it.
.

walkman




msg:719780
 7:34 am on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

I can't believe this update is still going on! My site is stuck on no man's land, and I was hoping that eventually Google would end this and go through normal updates.

reseller




msg:719781
 8:47 am on Nov 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Alert Orange..on a sunny Sunday :-)

New serps are emerging (within the sector I watch) at the moment at these two Dcs and my google.com (one of the same two mentioned IP: 64.233.183.104)

64.233.183.99
64.233.183.104

Good luck all.

And my usual song...

Oh Google! You Are Simply The Best.. Better Than All The Rest (i.e Yahoo, MSN etc..) :-)

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