| 8:53 pm on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Why did you get banned in the first place?
| 9:16 pm on Nov 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Yes, although on a slightly different angle.
This is something I have wondered about, is it better to remove a site from the Google index by the url removal tool and then let Google crawl it again - or just wait it out.
OK - The removal tool is 6 months? I think - but the Canonical, 302 Hijack etc problems is a year so far :(
Definetly a ban - no results for site:domain.com search, or just indexing problems?
PS. I dont recommend anyone actually listening to my thoughts about removing a site using the url removal tool. Just frustrated in Google inablities to fix bugs.
| 7:55 am on Nov 22, 2005 (gmt 0)|
No it was a full ban (nothing showing for site:mysite.com) - I got banned (at least I think) for having some auto-generated doorway pages.
| 8:36 am on Nov 22, 2005 (gmt 0)|
<I went for drastic measures and completely wiped the site for a few days only leaving the homepage with no outbound links and plenty of text>
How long was a few days?
| 9:53 am on Nov 22, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Until google reindexed it (3 days) - But it was worth the money being down 3 days to get back in te serps
| 10:04 am on Nov 22, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Thanks for sharing zootreeves. Without meaning to criticise you, I volunteer this observation:
If you blatantly violate the Google webmaster guidelines you are welcomed back like the prodigal son. But if your only mistake was getting caught in the canonical problem then you are banned forever?
>> is it better to remove a site from the Google index by the url removal tool
Sometimes it may need drastic action. Like Brett's brave move to ban all bots from webmasterworld [webmasterworld.com] (though that's for different reasons). Sometimes taking the bull by the horns may be the best solution.
| 12:22 pm on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>>>>If you blatantly violate the Google webmaster guidelines you are welcomed back like the prodigal son. But if your only mistake was getting caught in the canonical problem then you are banned forever?
So it seems.
But I am pretty sure that the URL removal tool would just result in the crap being *removed* and then re-added just the same.
So remove Google Crap now will just result in the crap coming back in 6 months - problems and all.
| 7:57 pm on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|But I am pretty sure that the URL removal tool would just result in the crap being *removed* and then re-added just the same. |
zootreeves, how frequent was googlebots hammering your sites during the ban?
| 5:56 am on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I did the same back (Total Rebuild) in July when I lost my main site from the listings. My site bounced back about 3 months later and only lasted for 2 weeks until my backlinks were calculated. Then I was bounced again ... for having too many backlinks for a new site I guess. I'm still waiting for a recovery in this main site.
Having said this, my newer sites have done fairly well since. They have very few backlinks and seem to be developing organically in the eyes of Google.
| 11:07 pm on Nov 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Congrats! I did the same with a site about a year ago and I got right back into Google as well. The problem was that I lost all my inbounds and I'm still not back in Yahoo a year later (I was in the top 5 across the board). If Yahoo would ever pickup the pages again, I'd be in better shape that ever, still it was probably worth it.
| 6:06 am on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I found that it took about a month or so to get back with yahoo, but now i'm in and they've about 3/4 of my pages listed. Also doing really well from MSN and I'm starting to realise that the majority of hits received from Google were not providing an income, just a lot of wasted bandwidth.
My breakthrough with Yahoo came when I made it clear on my index page that the content within the site was totally my own work. I did a sort of begging email for re-inclusion and hey presto ... we were back from the wilderness.
I'm totally convinced that keeping clear of any kind of keyword pushing and link swapping schemes will pay off. I think Google are lining up for a real purge after Christmas.
All the best
| 7:33 am on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Thanks for sharing this info with us Zootreeves
I have a site which is still banned in Google . ther is no result in site search. Its a directory and basically it has sites listed in directory category but sites are really not sending visitors to another sites. Its only text with title & description and i use to Run adsense on the all pages. Now site is not listed not even a page. earlier it was doing good. Any suggestion for this.
| 4:49 pm on Nov 25, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I looks like you got a good break. In my case, I'm not banned by Yahoo, just that the exact same pages that were once performing spectacularly disappeared when I changed the URL to solve the Google issue and never came back. I guess the only way I'll get them back into Yahoo is via a link campaign tageting each page (which makes me nervous as Google seems to have fired a shot across the bow to agressive link builders with Jagger).
| 1:48 pm on Nov 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Our site is still banned. We have 10% of an industry using us. 22,000 inbound links according to Google. We have never ask for inbound links or participated in farms.
We were a 7, now zero going on 3 months. Our traffic is down about 18%, but strangely, our sales are still upticking.
Come to think of it, the only time sales really picked up in regards to Google, was way back when Yahoo picked up Google as their search provider.
Many scraper sites and junk sites we have no control over, linked to us, 90% of which were SELLING GOOGLE ads!
Google also raised the minimum bid of our domain (with and with out .com) as a keyword from 5 to 50 cents exactly 1 day after our ban. They have at least 2 major companies in our industry buying the keyword and our tradename. The word has NO meaning other than what we have created for it over the past 6 years.
The googlebot spends a lot of time in our site.
We cut our Google advertising in half and spent it with Yahoo and others, to be sure their metrics show a "loss" for their random action on us. We STRONGLY advise everyone to do likewise if they have been .
The claims of Google their "secret formula" being democratic and based on "votes" (links in) is totally bogus.
We are nearly certain, the engine now includes extremely agressive analytics to suck more of your dollars to Google. Our belief is they have incorporated weighting of "free" traffic to "paid" traffic and where advantageous, are cutting quality content in order to produce higher revenues from the same clients through paid listings.
NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. UNLESS YOU LIE ABOUT IT by making claims "democracy" is making those choices without "human intervention."
Its our belief, our site was manually manipluated and TURNED OFF in listings. REASONING, we got our site turned back on by a real person for about 5 days. 0 to 7 in 30 minutes. (Don't ask how) Then it was shut down again.
Hopefully MSN and AOL will formulate their own search or purchase a quality 2nd tier company.
Everytime a single company dominates a market, they shift from "democratic" to "gestopo" tactics very quickly, since they can make their own rules.
Its critical to your pocket book to have multiple healthy providers.
Hope these observations make you go "hmmmm" and encourage you to spread out your ad dollars and listing efforts.