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Dealing With Consequences of Jagger Update
Your site dropped? Lost rankings? What to do now?
reseller

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Msg#: 32004 posted 8:25 am on Nov 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi Folks

Jagger is winding down and life must go on. If Jagger has been kind to your site, Congrats. But for the rest of fellow members who lost rankings or their sites dropped of the index, its time to do some thinking and decide on what to improve or change on your affected websites. Still ethical measures are what interest me most.

Some food for the thought.

After my site was hit by Allegra (2-3 Feb 2005) and lost 75% of my Google's referrals and hit for second time on 22nd July 2005 ending up with only 5-10% of pre-Allegra Google's referrals.
My site is now back to the level of around 50% of pre-Allegra Google's referrals and growing... until further. I say "until further" because who knows what the next update or "everflux" do to my site!

Before my site returned back around 19-22 Sept 2005 (very slow at the begining), I went through my site several times for months and did the followings:

- removed duplicate pages. In my case it was several testing pages (even back to 1997) which I just forgot on the server.

- removed one or two 100% frame pages.

- removed some pre-sell affiliate program pages with content provided entirely by affiliate program vendors.

- removed few (affiliate referrals) outbound links which was on the menu bar of all pages (maybe we are talking about sitewide linking).

- on resource pages, I reduced the outbound links to be less than 100 .

- made a 301 redirect non-www to www (thanks to my good Norwich friend Dayo-UK).

- finally filed a reinclusion request in accordance with the guidelines posted on Matt's blog (thanks Mr. Inigo).

Would you be kind to tell us how Jagger Update affected your site, and what do you intend to do about it.

Thanks!

 

tigger

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Msg#: 32004 posted 9:47 am on Dec 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Jagger has taught me not to put all my eggs into one basket! fortunately old smaller sites are still pulling in some G traffic but I'm working on those

Simsi

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Msg#: 32004 posted 9:53 am on Dec 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I believe that this Jagger update has made me more creative, more streamlined and less fat and lazy than I was 6 months ago. I maybe slightly less well off, my future may be a little less secure, but I'm less reliant on Google to make money. I am actually quite positive about the future now and think that this Jagger rubbish has helped me see how little security Google was adding to my life ... We live every day knowing that what Google gives, they can take away

Eloquently put and very wise words Colin :)

johnhh

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Msg#: 32004 posted 1:31 pm on Dec 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Colin_h : so true - we changed after Bourbon - and added one extra person to the team to develop a exsisting income stream. Now over 50% of traffic is non-search engine - of course the other 50% is important as well

Reseller: "And for sure there are stil a lot of business opportunities out there. "

Still finding them even after all these years.

oldpro

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Msg#: 32004 posted 3:35 pm on Dec 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Our change came after Bourbon too. Went to ppc all the way...should have done it a long time ago. Instead of writing content for search engine food, with ppc we could write call to action content which converted to sales.

Trying to look at it from Google's perspective...shaking up the serps from time to time is good for joe/jane searcher...gives a fresh look. Also everflux serps drives commercial sites like ours to ppc...good for google's bank account...and ours too.

The victims of all these major updates are sites dependent on adsense for income. The consequences of Jagger and Bourbon has driven up the bidding on adwords (and YSM) to the point it makes it difficult for adsense publishers to use adwords as a traffic generator and must depend on the organic serps. I imagine it is either feast or famine depending on the update changes. This is unfortunate really, because content advertising has tremendous value if done right.

reseller

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Msg#: 32004 posted 9:16 pm on Dec 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Good evening Folks

Have been out for an evening 45 minutes walk and the temperature is minus 5 degree C. Everything is freezing here, but nothing can hold reseller back from challenging mother nature :-)

>>tigger

Jagger has taught me not to put all my eggs into one basket! fortunately old smaller sites are still pulling in some G traffic but I'm working on those<<

Very wise words!

Allegra taught me the same ;-)

questwtg

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Msg#: 32004 posted 2:03 am on Dec 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

"I believe that this Jagger update has made me more creative, more streamlined and less fat and lazy than I was 6 months ago. I maybe slightly less well off, my future may be a little less secure, but I'm less reliant on Google to make money. I am actually quite positive about the future now and think that this Jagger rubbish has helped me see how little security Google was adding to my life ... We live every day knowing that what Google gives, they can take away ... There's no value in that ;-)"

Yeah right, Googles has us trained like a circus ponies. One day we will at be working at Googles Big Top circus.

"In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king."

reseller

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Msg#: 32004 posted 5:56 am on Dec 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Good morning Folks

Another new day and another great week ahead. Live is great. Live is wonderful. And Google is still The Mother of All Search Engines :-)

>>questwtg
Yeah right, Googles has us trained like a circus ponies. One day we will at be working at Googles Big Top circus.<<

Agreed. In fact because my site was hit by Allegra (Feb. 2005), I spent time and much efforts in learning how to "deal" with Google. And now I know to some extent why my site tanked during Allegra and later on 22nd July 2005. In my case I'm just about to be as sure as I could be that it was a mixture of few duplicates, 301, 302 hijacking and a 100% frame.

Jakpot

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Msg#: 32004 posted 10:29 pm on Dec 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Happy Holidays to all you fine folk at the Googleplex
from thousands of my web page children who are wandering in the Supplemental Index neverland.

Enjoy the fruits of your labor during this happy season

Jean Valjean

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Msg#: 32004 posted 10:32 pm on Dec 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

New PR and Back links started.Good luck

walkman



 
Msg#: 32004 posted 10:47 pm on Dec 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

does anyone have an IP for the new PR? Would like to see, just for the fun of it.

Jean Valjean

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Msg#: 32004 posted 10:52 pm on Dec 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

66.102.7.147
and many others

walkman



 
Msg#: 32004 posted 11:36 pm on Dec 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

66.102.7.147 seems like the old PR...

added 66.102.7.147 toolbarqueries.google.com
to my hosts file and I se old PR

reseller

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Msg#: 32004 posted 6:53 am on Dec 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Good morning Folks

What a great combination in a nice morning; Cappuccino and a PR update :-)

I can't see any PR update yet but who knows. Maybe one of the consequencies of Jagger update is another new update underway, Santa-Update :-)

steveb

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Msg#: 32004 posted 6:54 am on Dec 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

No PR update, move along folks move along.

undoneme

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Msg#: 32004 posted 11:44 am on Dec 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

I see a PR update for one of my 100 sites.

esllou

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Msg#: 32004 posted 11:53 am on Dec 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Reseller,

In my case I'm just about to be as sure as I could be that it was a mixture of few duplicates, 301, 302 hijacking and a 100% frame.

I got hit HARD in Feb 05 too and made a lot of changes to reduce the problems you speak of. Jagger took away another 20% from me so I'm still at a loss.

Did you tackle these issues and did you see any results as a consequence?

reseller

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Msg#: 32004 posted 12:18 pm on Dec 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

esllou

>>Did you tackle these issues and did you see any results as a consequence? <<

Yes. But only 50% of my pre-Allegra (2-3 Feb 2005) Google's traffic has returned back.

Jean Valjean

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Msg#: 32004 posted 12:38 pm on Dec 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

reseler with this new PR BL update I see many pages MIA from 22/11 coming back.Therefore something is fishy or cooking....a new update maybe?

nfinland

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Msg#: 32004 posted 12:48 pm on Dec 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

I see better positions on lost pages also. Nothing radical, but 1 - 5 positions closer to the top.

reseller

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Msg#: 32004 posted 1:20 pm on Dec 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Jean Valjean

>>reseler with this new PR BL update I see many pages MIA from 22/11 coming back.Therefore something is fishy or cooking....a new update maybe? <<

Of course it could well be a pre-update stage. Or still the folks at the plex are testing few algos and filters ;-)

Dayo_UK

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Msg#: 32004 posted 1:24 pm on Dec 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

As has been stated on every thread that has been mentioning PR update for the last 3-4 weeks.

This is old PR that is being seen - it has been coming and going for ages.

It might be worth discussing why G are still reverting back to old PR - but dont discuss it as an update.

Reseller - we know that a serp/algo/crawl update is forthcoming very soon - "Big Daddy" is on its way.

Jean Valjean

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Msg#: 32004 posted 1:28 pm on Dec 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

by the way I have noticed PR update at Google Directory as well ie a site keeping for years its PR7 is now PR6.Any comments?

reseller

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Msg#: 32004 posted 1:32 pm on Dec 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Dayo_UK

>>Reseller - we know that a serp/algo/crawl update is forthcoming very soon - "Big Daddy" is on its way<<

You are right. Maybe very soon I shall post:

Ladies and Gentlemen!
Please welcome BigDaddy :-)

Jean Valjean

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Msg#: 32004 posted 1:43 pm on Dec 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Does anyone that lost pages during the begining of Jagger at 22/11 is back?
That is a very interesting point.Are we looking forward to a new short update trying to patch a kind of glitch that happened at 22/11?

outland88

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Msg#: 32004 posted 5:51 pm on Dec 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Iíve experienced some recovery in CA, UK, AU, etc. But in the US Google seems to be locking out changes if not penalizing for them on major keywords.

reseller

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Msg#: 32004 posted 6:56 am on Dec 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Good morning Folks
One thing for sure. Its gonna be a great day. Just about to finish my X-Mas gifts shopping :-)

Many things happened just after Jagger update and we have to deal with the consequences.

I see new Google webmaster guidlines have been published
[google.com...]

And to our fellow members who earn living of SEO, here is something for you ;-)

"Talk to many SEOs, and ask other SEOs if they'd recommend the firm you're considering.

References are a good start, but they don't tell the whole story. You should ask how long a company has been in business and how many full time individuals it employs. If you feel pressured or uneasy, go with your gut feeling and play it safe: hold off until you find a firm that you can trust. Ask your SEO firm if it reports every spam abuse that it finds to Google using our spam complaint form at [google.com...] Ethical SEO firms report deceptive sites that violate Google's spam guidelines."

Enjoy :-)

tigger

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Msg#: 32004 posted 8:08 am on Dec 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

>Ask your SEO firm if it reports every spam abuse that it finds to Google using our spam complaint form at [google.com...] Ethical SEO firms report deceptive sites that violate Google's spam guidelines."

oh please give me a break, they really are living in cloud cuckoo land

Gimp

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Msg#: 32004 posted 8:32 am on Dec 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Now you know how to be ethical. Submit a spam report.

Post on your websites, I submit spam reports therefore Google says that I am ethical!

All blackhats can be ethical now. What a great day for everyone.

powerofeyes

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Msg#: 32004 posted 10:54 am on Dec 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

>Ask your SEO firm if it reports every spam abuse that it finds to Google using our spam complaint form at [google.com...] Ethical SEO firms report deceptive sites that violate Google's spam guidelines."

oh please give me a break, they really are living in cloud cuckoo land

LOL, Ethical SEO firms report every competitor sites above their client sites, For many ethical SEO companies SPAM is defined as Sites Positioned Above Mine/My Client sites. :-)

Jon_King

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Msg#: 32004 posted 11:31 am on Dec 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>Ethical SEO firms report deceptive sites that violate Google's spam guidelines."

I don't report these violations and most would consider my company ethical.

reseller

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Msg#: 32004 posted 12:33 pm on Dec 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

IMO, there should be some incentives for the Ethical SEO firms.

Maybe something like a Google "Etical SEO Firm" Seal or certificate.

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