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My First Ever Whiner Thread - Why Does G Still Punish Quality Sites
Google punished education sites and rewards spam sites that copy content
devitnow

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 31882 posted 9:06 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

People come here whining all the time about how their 'worthy' site has suddenly fallen on hard times. My thoughts are usually, 'wait it out', 'develop better content for visitors', 'things will correct', 'don't think or act short-term' that sort of hardliner attitude. Now it's time for me to do some whining of my own. Because after almost a year of my own site fallen on hard times, I'm tired of seeing spammy sites that link to mine ranking number 1 while my site is buried into oblivion.

I'm in the group of quality sites that were all destroyed in the SERPS around December 22 of last year. It looked like in late September things were corrected but I'm back in exile once again.

WHY MY SITE IS QUALITY AND NOT SOME POSER
I feel I must explain that my site is actual quality and I'm not some poser who throws up a few pages, waits 3 weeks and comes here complaining to you.

1. My content. I provide content that is absolutely unique to the Interment. It can be found no where else. With my content, it is absolutely free and there are no banner ads or solistations running on my page. This content, because it's unique is very expensive to develop. I'm not talking my time but with hard costs. My content is so good I get thank you emails daily thanking me for such a valuable resource. Yes, I have an ego and I do it for the kudos.

2. Who links to me? The very best sites in my area. I have links from all ivy league universities, education sites around the world, personal education sites, U.S. Library of Congress, etc. These are all high value links from solid authority sites like mine with long established time on the net.

3. My past SERPS. Number 1 for searches that produces results in the 5 to 20 million. About 20th and for single word searches that produces results around 45 million. Site visitors, about 300,000 uniques per month. Hey, I was happy, people searched for things that match my site content and I was found.

WHY I WHINE BEFORE YOU TODAY

1. I'm tired of doing a site search of my homepage site title (which is unique I have non dictionary sit title) and seeing my site running under another domain. I'm not an seo export so I don't know how that's done but I don't like it.

2. I'm tired of doing G search on absolutely unique text content and see not my site, but spam sites that pump in MSN search results.

3. I'm tired of doing G searches of my site name and see all the sites that link to me. How ironic, I have a 100% unique site name and what comes up is not my site but all those who link to me.

4. I'm tired of all the sites that provide direct links deep into my content who steal my page text because they're too lazy to write it theme selves be returned in the results while my site is nowhere.

5. I'm tired of searching for unique text content on my site and seeing spammy sites that cloak my DMOZ site description and pump out pay per click ads.

6. Finally, I'm tired of searchers looking for my world class content not finding me.

WHAT WILL I DO
I'm still of the do-nothing position, but how long is long enough?

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU
If you made it this far, thank you, I would like to know if you think I am a whiner and should just shut up and go away or is something broken with G that you think they will fix?

As I said, this IS a whiner thread, but with some merit I belive, I would feel a bit better to whine further with other education/quality sites that have experienced a similar history :-)

thank you,

Devvy

 

tigertom

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 31882 posted 10:22 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Submit to other directories, promote offline, write free articles for distribution, give away a free gizmo, do something outre.

Other sites will mention you, then people can find their way back to you through _their_ SERPs listings.

Keep researching (here), and find out _the_ reason you got dumped, and what to do about it.

15. Plaster your absolute URL(s), phone number, email address, AND absolute IMG urls all over your pages.

Then bar offsite image linking, from a particular image directory, using .htaccess, replacing all offsite linked-to images with an image of your bottom (called a 'butt', in America).

You could also put the words 'KISS THIS!' using PhotoShop, on said image.

Makes it less worthwhile to copy your content, if they get a lot of broken images, and big ads for your site in it.

15a. Type this into Google:

inurl:www.yoursite.com -site:www.yoursite.com

... to find possible plagiarists.

16. Use Server Side Includes and JavaScript to show different small snippets of HTML to surfers only, than that shown to SE spiders.

Nothing visible, nothing drastic, everybody gets 99.9% the same page, just enough to make the stolen content different to what the SE's get.

Trisha

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 31882 posted 10:52 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)


How do you naturally attract links to your good content if no one can find your site in the serps to know it exists to be able to link to it?

I wonder how GG and Matt Cutts would answer that?
But they won't...

Anyone reading this going to LV this month? If so - could you ask Matt this for me?

Submit to other directories, promote offline, write free articles for distribution, give away a free gizmo, do something outre.

It could be argued that those things are only being done to get links to boost your ranking - which is exactly what they tell us we are not supposed to do. If I ask myself 'Am I only writing articles with a link to my site to boost my rankings?' - the answer of course is 'yes'! Would I do it if search engines didn't exist? No! (Sure, it would still help a site even if SE's didn't exist - but, honestly - I'll only be doing it for SE rankings.)

16. Use Server Side Includes and JavaScript to show different small snippets of HTML to surfers only, than that shown to SE spiders.

That may not be a good idea to show something different to SE's than to visitors.

And the problem with trying to track down everyone who might be stealing content - is that it would take too much time up - time that would be better spent writing content - and many of the people doing it live in places where their ISP's won't do anything about it anyway.

mcjim

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 31882 posted 2:33 am on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

If one created a new fresh, original, fact-filled page on their site and waited for it to be spidered, what are the chances that it would be stollen long before it attracted any inbound links.

I've had my main site up for 8 years and grow weary with the whole LINKS and DUBLICATE CONTENT mess.

If I may whine a little longer... In my business, the whole notion of inbound links makes no sense. If I ran a museum or an art gallery site, maybe. But since inbound links are "important", I play the "reciprocal" game like all my competitors (I have 57 while my #1 competitor has 372).

Today I did my monthly search for sites that have stolen content from my site. One of these even had the nerve to place a CopyScape logo on their (mine) page!

And on and on it goes. Thanks to Webmaster world for a forum where I can vent... my dog doesn't understand.

questwtg

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 31882 posted 4:12 am on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

"15a. Type this into Google:

inurl:www.yoursite.com -site:www.yoursite.com"

I tried it thanks for the tip.

Question is this a hijacking?

https://www.linuxbrew.com/cgi-bin/ nph-proxy.cgi/000110A/http/www.mysite.com/

zztracy

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 31882 posted 4:27 am on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

mcjim

<my dog doesn't understand>

and your dog is probably more relaxed than any SEOs can afford to be ;)
makes one jealous of your dog, doesn't it?

tigertom

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 31882 posted 12:52 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Questwtg:

I don't know. I just read that tip in another post here.
That link you gave is password-protected.

I searched on my own domain name. Showed some odd stuff, like the link you posted. Google caches of the pages looked odd.

17. Put "noarchive" meta tags in all your pages

<meta NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,follow,noarchive">
<meta name="googlebot" content="noarchive">

That won't stop people grabbing your pages, but it's one less resource for people who want to poke around your site.

landmark

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 31882 posted 2:19 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

And the problem with trying to track down everyone who might be stealing content - is that it would take too much time up - time that would be better spent writing content - and many of the people doing it live in places where their ISP's won't do anything about it anyway.

My own site ran into trouble in September because of content thieves. I lost about 25% of my traffic overnight. It was obvious that the keywords affected were victims of content theft. I got angry and decided to go after the content thieves.

I searched for unique text stolen from my articles and found literally thousands of sites. However, I decided to ignore the results that showed up as Supplemental and just target the few dozen that remained.

I initially emailed 17 sites. If I got no reply I mailed their hosts. If this didn't work I contacted Google (DMCA). The results so far:

12 sites removed the content
3 sites were removed by their hosts
1 site was deleted by Google
1 site still remains

My site has recovered around half of its traffic so far and I am pleased and surprised at how effective this has been. It may have used up my valuable time, but it was not time wasted.

bonedome

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 31882 posted 10:25 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

qwestwtg

It definitely looks like a hijacking. this thread might help you.

[webmasterworld.com...]

questwtg

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 31882 posted 1:17 am on Nov 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

"qwestwtg
It definitely looks like a hijacking. this thread might help you.

[webmasterworld.com...]

Thanks

I email the site and the email was returned. So I looked-up the .com & IP and found a abuse email address. I email the abuse email, now waiting for a replay.

twebdonny



 
Msg#: 31882 posted 5:46 pm on Nov 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have tried everything and cannot get a simple
cgi random text generator to work in my web page.

Any help would be appreciated.

ps: can this be done in a normal .htm page
or must the page have a .shtml extension?

twebdonny



 
Msg#: 31882 posted 9:36 pm on Nov 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Disregard the above post,
we have solved our problem using
htaccess to allow ssi via .html pages.

tigertom

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 31882 posted 11:44 am on Nov 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

18. Use a Redirect 301 in your .htaccess file to redirect from [yourdomain.com...] to [yourdomain.com,...] (or the reverse, whichever is the most common way you write your URLs):

#

Options +FollowSymlinks
RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^yourdomain\.com$ [NC]
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ [yourdomain.com...] [L,R=301]

#

nfinland

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 31882 posted 8:11 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

I know nothing of these things, but was told to ad this line of code - somewhat different, but I guess the below is also ok?

RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST}!^example\.com
RewriteRule (.*) http://example.com/$1 [R=301,L]

tigertom

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 31882 posted 9:28 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

It's always a bad idea to put up code you don't understand.

The idea is that requests for http://example.com/anypage.htm get redirected to http://www.example.com/anypage.htm

This stops duplicate versions of your site being found by Google, on the same web space.

Your code says that if the environmental variable HTTP_HOST (your domain) does not start with example.com, redirect it to http://example.com.
Also, unlike my example, it doesn't specify that the request is case-insensitive. That's what [NC] means.

Are you sure your site URLs are mostly written http://example.com?

Anyway, there're TONS of examples of how to fix this on
WebmasterWorld.

Try both, and see what happens ;)

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