I haven't launched a new site in awhile and thought I'd test this sandbox thing. Went live two days ago, Google crawled, indexed and can be found on the first page for a two word lowly-competitive phrase. Be interesting to see if it says. Itís time to start playing some more. The site is only a few pages, has links to some authorative sites, and a couple of links in from another site.
Msg#: 31702 posted 12:34 pm on Dec 7, 2005 (gmt 0)
I've seen quite a bit of discussion on whether a keyword or phrase is "popular" or "competitive" or not, and many agree that this is a key factor in determining whether a Google sandbox penalty might apply or not.
My question is - how do you measure the keyword popularity or competitiveness, and what is the threshold for the measure (e.g. greater than X searches per month? at least X search results?)
There should be a way to determine, for any keyword/phrase, whether it counts as competitive/popular enough to be affected by the sandbox theory. I'd welcome thoughts on how to do this!
how do you measure the keyword popularity or competitiveness
I doubt google is going to apply the sandbox where searches are greater than x. I thinks its a simple correlation between keyword competition and some other factor. My guess is that its link growth. Eg. If your inbound links do not seem 100% natural then u will be 'filted' out for the ultra competitive phrases. As the popularity of the keyword decreases so to do the need to have a strict natural linking growth pattern.
Msg#: 31702 posted 10:33 pm on Dec 7, 2005 (gmt 0)
Well if it helps the word I was targetting has 18 Million results in google.com, and 2.6M for its specific country. It is a German word.
So it took me 6 months to get out the sandbox on this very competitive word. I am only ranking #42 in google.de and #59 for google.com but of course do better on specific combined word searches such as "keyword + keyword 2".
I got a few decent incoming links in the first 6 weeks of going live and then just left it alone.
I personally adhere to the theory that it is the "incoming links" that are actually sandboxed - not your site directly. Although I think there is probably a minimum (say 6 months) for a new site.
Like I keep saying - we got a few bits of traffic from Day 1 with google, but you can see a jump when you start getting traffic for competitive phrases as well.
I now need to get into the Top 10 to get any proper traffic.