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Sandbox
How long does it take?
ezyid




msg:713088
 10:27 am on Oct 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hello all..
I just finally got out of the sandbox about 2 months ago. after my website was new in Jan.

but i heard that it would be a good idea to 301 my origional site to the new one.. well its newer...
Bam.. about 6 weeks later im sandboxed with 1/3 of my traffic gone...

How long have people been in my position for.....

I quiet liked getting out.. but is this going to take another 8 or so months?

Adwords is fairly expensive, and cutting into my profits....

Cheers all!

 

johnnyenglish




msg:713178
 8:21 am on Dec 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

To those that say "no sandbox" you must note that the effect is only seen on competitive words or phrases.

We all get straight into google in days, the issue is where you rank for popular words and phrases.

So you might rank great for "blue armani trousers" but be nowhere for "trousers".

dbar




msg:713179
 8:25 am on Dec 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

I haven't launched a new site in awhile and thought I'd test this sandbox thing. Went live two days ago, Google crawled, indexed and can be found on the first page for a two word lowly-competitive phrase. Be interesting to see if it says. Itís time to start playing some more. The site is only a few pages, has links to some authorative sites, and a couple of links in from another site.

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:713180
 10:49 am on Dec 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

I was given a pair of white Armani trousers as a gift but they are a bit tight and I can't get into them ... a bit like the Google SERPs really ;)

Howard Wright




msg:713181
 12:34 pm on Dec 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've seen quite a bit of discussion on whether a keyword or phrase is "popular" or "competitive" or not, and many agree that this is a key factor in determining whether a Google sandbox penalty might apply or not.

My question is - how do you measure the keyword popularity or competitiveness, and what is the threshold for the measure (e.g. greater than X searches per month? at least X search results?)

There should be a way to determine, for any keyword/phrase, whether it counts as competitive/popular enough to be affected by the sandbox theory. I'd welcome thoughts on how to do this!

Howard

trimmer80




msg:713182
 8:23 pm on Dec 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

how do you measure the keyword popularity or competitiveness

I doubt google is going to apply the sandbox where searches are greater than x.
I thinks its a simple correlation between keyword competition and some other factor. My guess is that its link growth.
Eg. If your inbound links do not seem 100% natural then u will be 'filted' out for the ultra competitive phrases. As the popularity of the keyword decreases so to do the need to have a strict natural linking growth pattern.

johnnyenglish




msg:713183
 10:33 pm on Dec 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well if it helps the word I was targetting has 18 Million results in google.com, and 2.6M for its specific country. It is a German word.

So it took me 6 months to get out the sandbox on this very competitive word. I am only ranking #42 in google.de and #59 for google.com but of course do better on specific combined word searches such as "keyword + keyword 2".

I got a few decent incoming links in the first 6 weeks of going live and then just left it alone.

I personally adhere to the theory that it is the "incoming links" that are actually sandboxed - not your site directly. Although I think there is probably a minimum (say 6 months) for a new site.

Like I keep saying - we got a few bits of traffic from Day 1 with google, but you can see a jump when you start getting traffic for competitive phrases as well.

I now need to get into the Top 10 to get any proper traffic.

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