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Update Jagger, Google Update Oct 18th, 2005
When can we expect a new PR update?

 5:33 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Continued from here:

Anyone have any guesses as to when we can expect a new systemwide PR update?



 8:24 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Looking at that DC again - and I dont know if others can confirm - it looks to me like stage 1 has not effected that DC.....?

Very hard to tell - but what I was seeing develop out of the first stage certainly does not look like it has hit that DC.

Time will tell - for me when people first started noticing changes on - they are nothing like what was displayed a few days after first noticed.


 8:28 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Am I behind the times"

- I must be too, big differences if you include "in, and, the etc...."


 8:28 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

It looks like a very "pre-jagger" serp for the industry i am watching.

Well in the UK anyway


 8:31 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

looking at [] again, it seems as though my site has dropped down loads but sites around me haven't changed too much - I really hope this doesn't happen...


 8:33 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

"I think this update had something to do with network interlinking spam."

I have seen a couple of competitors loose out that have split what should be one site into 5 domains all interlinked and with same reciprocals...


 8:38 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Could someone explain what "network interlinking spam" is please?


 8:41 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

McMohan, good eyes in spotting some changes at I expect Jagger2 to start at 66.102.9.x. It will probably stay at 1-2 data centers for the next several days rather than spreading quickly. But that data center shows the direction that things will be moving in (bear in mind that things are fluxing, and Jagger3 will cause flux as well).

Matt Cutts posted how to send feedback on Jagger1 at [mattcutts.com...]

If you're looking at 66.102.9.x and have new feedback on what you see there (whether it be spam or just indexing related), please use the same mechanism as before, except use the keyword Jagger2. I believe that our webspam team has taken a first pass through the Jagger1 feedback and acted on a majority of the spam reports. The quality team may wait until Jagger3 is visible somewhere before delving into the non-spam index feedback.

If things stay on the same schedule (which I can't promise, but I'll keep you posted if I learn more), Jagger3 might be visible at one data center next week. Folks should have several weeks to give us feedback on Jagger3 as it gradually becomes more visible at more data centers.

[edited by: GoogleGuy at 8:53 am (utc) on Oct. 26, 2005]


 8:43 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks GG for confirmation.

Next week early or late ;) (Cant wait - he he - fingers,legs and eyes crossed.)

Oh and Good night.


 8:45 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

' Could someone explain what "network interlinking spam" is please?'

Sorry, that is my own term invented only today.

I mean when a website has many other sites under it's control which it links together to feed pr to the main site.


 8:47 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)


Thanks for updating us. Much appreciated.


 8:51 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

This update is stinking so far. 50% traffic gone.

This happened back in May. Completely kicked out from fantastic search positions. Clean, clean, clean.

Wrote to Google. First response, I said that wasn't good enough and asked to take a look, 2nd response was a bit more interesting.

Came back a month later in Mid-June. 1 month gone. 1 month income gone. 1 month wasted. The biggest month of the year.

Now everytime there is an update, am I going to go through the same thing? Getting nailed for some obscure reason, write to Google repeatedly and ask what's up? Every update before May, ran smoothly, no affect really if not an improvement in results.

How does a site increase PR, go from position 2 to 21, on all other results, many of which were 1st page for the last 4 years, go to 50+?

Really? What's up?


 8:55 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Pico-Train - I am noticing the same. My PR has gone from 5 to a 6 but my rankings are dropping FAST! I am not doing anything I shouldn't be doing on my site and have been on top 10 for most keywords for well over a year...


 8:57 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Happy to try to help, reseller. If I find out more of use, I'll let you know.

Dayo_UK, the optimistic part of me wants to say mid next week. But I've learned not to make promises. :)


 8:58 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)


>>Thanks GG for confirmation......

Oh and Good night. <<

As a GoogleGuyologist, I have a feeling that GG mightbe today somewhere just not far from you and I. Northern Europe, Maybe?

But then even a GoogleGuyologist mightbe wrong ;-)

[edited by: reseller at 9:00 am (utc) on Oct. 26, 2005]


 8:59 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ok - thanks again.

Anyway you can tell what stage 2 is aimed at - not noticing anything on Canonical issues - so cant see hardly any difference in the serps I monitor - stage 1 seemed to have a bit of that.

Just new spam filters etc?

Added - Ok seen MC blog post too. - Yes, intresting the point that it will take a couple of days for the changes to be visible on the dc - so bit early perhaps for panic/feedback and jumping out of windows.

Intresting - so when GG/MC talk about flux - sometimes it means flux on the DC rather than flux between the dcs?

[edited by: Dayo_UK at 9:02 am (utc) on Oct. 26, 2005]


 8:59 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

McMohan, good eyes in spotting some changes at

Thanks GG :) Would you suggest we wait until Jagger3 rolls out before reporting on spam, penalties etc? Since Jagger3 may address problems we are facing after Jagger1 & 2, we may not have a reason to send feedbacks after Jagger3 settles.

[edited by: McMohan at 9:03 am (utc) on Oct. 26, 2005]


 9:00 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

GG - thanks for the details but I have one question with regards to that DC you mentioned - is it likely to change much before it is used?

Reading my previous couple of posts you'll see that my site has dropped considerably but I don't know why..



 9:00 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

GG, have you been enjoying the craic?


 9:01 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, thanks GG, will keep an eye out for positive changes!

Good question McMohan.


 9:08 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0) there is some changes in serps, still early in the update and I think part3 will realy shake it "if" they are making changes to the supplemental issue with more. The will always be a few sites that almost gone from the serps, but some of them will return in part 2-3 thats how it used to be, of cause a few will be gone for real.

Dayo - about canocial issue I still dont see any changes, but ok it should maybe happen in part 3, one thing I will say it not a 100% this is your problem it could also be scrapers that have a to large copy of your pages and then you are filtered or a still active 302 link, but maybe that will also get fixed in part 3.

about spam I dont see that huge different than was usualy is in the serps and if you take a look at yahoo, you will huge amount of scrapers on page 2... on a search, thats not the case on google.

[edited by: zeus at 9:10 am (utc) on Oct. 26, 2005]


 9:08 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Dayo_UK, yes, sometimes it can mean flux within a data center. It's a bit involved, so I'll leave it at a high level. :)


 9:11 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Damn - you go make a cup of tea and miss Googleguy again!


If you're still around, please, please can you put me out of my misery (I'm begging). A 'related:' search on any page on my site now returns 'no matching documents' when it has worked for over 4 years? Plus many of my pages have gone supplemental (url only) for no apparent reason. It's a clean site, but is this a penalty or bad crawl?


 9:14 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Disappointing to see spam filters seemingly gone entirely, as well as another devaluation of authority. I hate to say it, but this has the look of "all anchor text all the time", which is sure not a good thing.

(And of course basically no improvement in terms of lost sites. Just saw the GG post below, so perhaps this part shouldn't be a concern.)

Tough being an optimist these days...

[edited by: steveb at 9:18 am (utc) on Oct. 26, 2005]


 9:15 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

McMohan, if you see spam, I'd report it now with jagger2. If it's canonicalization or ranking or supplemental, I might hold off to see how jagger3 looks for you.


 9:16 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, there's definetely something up, missing, or wrong with anchor text, I've noticed that since day 1.

I just hope this sorts itself out because my pride and joy is in the boondocks!



 9:17 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)


Well I am not going to really comment on the DC until a day or two - as per MC and GG indication that the DC may be in flux for a while.

Re: Lost sites.

Hopefully Stage 3 - otherwise end of Webmastering for me (probably) :(


I am 99.99% sure it is Canonical url problem - but the issues are probably all linked together. And whatever name you call it I think Google now have an idea what is at least being talked about.

Just saw GG post too ;) - lol we are an impatient lot.


 9:21 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hmm I see a change in link back again, thats the first time I have seen 2 changes in a update, BUT it could also just be my site, any one else see a change in link back for the secound time.

I now looked through some of the link backs, I see some of the added links are scrapers, thats sad.

[edited by: zeus at 9:28 am (utc) on Oct. 26, 2005]


 9:22 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

steveb, I think I know the spam sites that you're talking about. Folks here enjoyed looking into those. It's always interesting to see how the pendulum moves between some of the shortcuts that people try.

[edited by: GoogleGuy at 9:22 am (utc) on Oct. 26, 2005]


 9:22 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks GG for confirming it. Makes sense.


 9:23 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, another backlink update for my main site too.



 9:24 am on Oct 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Looking around some more, it seems like this datacenter isn't much different, except it has an awful lot more obvious spam... which then pushes down the good sites somewhat.

In other words, the ranking itself seems unchanged in terms of good site versus good site. So, my only reaction so far is somebody forgot to push the spam filter button. :)

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