| 4:25 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>>Have been waiting for google's pending update but didn't get any on that.<<
This could be the third thread of update/non-update. Looking forwards for the next 1015 posts ;-)
Actually alot of changes have happened since 22nd September 2005. However those changes were left without a name. I suggested few names including "Bacon Polenta" ;-)
>>From last two days I have noticed extreme changes in search results for same google domain (like .com or .de or .nl etc.) with different interface language selected (like hl=de or hl=en or hl=nl). When you change the interface language the whole bunch of results are different.<<
I wish that you have specified which sector you are watching. As to marketing & advertising sectors I haven't noticed much change in referrals from the usual international Googles that my site receive, example google.co.uk, google.co.il, google.dk, google.co.in, etc..
>>Is this the actual update this time?<<
Lets wait and see. However, next update mightbe in November, I guess. But there will also be the risk that such update will take place without being announced.
GoogleGuy has mentioned in one of his recent posts that PR/backlinks update will occure sometimes between now and December 2005, and it could be a signal for a major update as GoogleGuy understand the word "update".
| 5:01 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I know I have a couple of relatively new sites that started getting traffic from google for the first time and all the traffic is from foreign languages of Google.
Not sure what it means.. but have been noticing it the last 3 or 4 days.
| 5:18 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|those changes were left without a name |
Just to clarify for all readers, Google considers it to be an update when they add a new element to their algorithm. But over the past years, they already have installed many elements and those elements come with "dials" that can be turned up and turned down.
Such adjustments can generate significant changes in the SERPs, especially in some market sectors. But Google does not consider that kind of change to be an update -- even though an affected site may feel like the sky just fell or a rainbow landed on them.
It's getting harder and harder to know when to haul out the naming machine!
| 6:10 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Reseller and others,
No, I don't want to start another big chain discussion if it is not required. I am not talking about PR or backlink update, since they are just data updates and not algo updates.
And again, I am not talking about the differences of com, co.uk, co.in etc. but the actual interface language change. Try a search with your google domain and then just change the language parameter in the url [example: for english to german do hl=en to hl=de] and compare the result within the same domain without changing anything else.
In my case, I can see almost 70-80% different results in two different languages on same keywords on same google domain.
| 6:17 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)|
We have been dropped from the international geographical locations that we where on the top for the last 6 month.
| 7:28 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)|
rishic: I have seen that for sometime now, it is not new.
Sometimes what is in a diffent language makes it to the main-stream serps, sometimes not.
It does look like a testing ground for Google.
| 8:08 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Thanks for informative post. Much appreciated.
| 8:44 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)|
PR and Backlinks are not necessarily updated at the same time. PR updates have been occuring about every 3-4 months:
Jun 22,04 (previous to this PR updates were every 2-7 weeks)
Oct 06, 04 = 106 days or about 4 mos
Jan 01, 05 = 87 days or about 3 mos
Apr 22, 05 = 111 days or about 4 mos
July 14, 05 = 84 days or about 3 mos
we are presently at 84 days or 3 mos since last update.
PS these dates may be a day or two off.
| 8:46 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)|
In the last couple of days i see a big increase in chinese and asian google traffic in my logs. Serps look way different on some of the asian TLDs i try.
Something might be cooking..
| 8:52 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I hate to say this but there was an update. Something changed around last week of September
| 8:56 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Not only was there an update. It was the worst darn update ever!
| 9:00 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)|
So, what now? Just wait for the next year?
| 9:29 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I experienced a significant drop in traffic today, dispite several new pages being indexed.
I must have lost more ground to scrapers this time.
I'm too burnt out on G to research why I lost traffic. I'm going to start focusing on MSN, Y, and other large SE's.
I feel like a lot of current events are going to lead to bad PR for Google, and probably a good shift in market share will follow. While I enjoy the traffic I receive from Google - if Yahoo or MSN were sending it to me, I would feel just the same. If they don't come from G, they will come from somewhere else.
I've "gone down" with SE giants before, and it won't happen to me again. Google needs to put their short term monitary interests in scrapers (in conjunction with AdSense) aside and focus on the long term - but shareholders won't understand a decline now for a gain on down the road. Fork it! Diversify, or drown in an index filled with an increasingly larger number of worthless scraper websites.
| 1:31 pm on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|I'm going to start focusing on MSN, Y, and other large SE's. |
| 1:52 pm on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)|
MSN / Yahoo are more obvious in how their algo operates and hence better to optimise for and 'cough' produce better serps right now.
On-site factors matter more for MSN / Yahoo whilst god only knows what counts for Google!
| 2:58 pm on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Definitely something happening even now - today my Dmoz entry is showing and lots of my pages have fallen out the cache. I have also just had my other site, which I had decided to work on this week because it was doing better, consigned to the supplental index.
Perhaps the update isn't over yet.
| 3:04 pm on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Yeah I'm seeing our index pages dropping out of the index. Subpages are still there, but all index page listings that were there yesterday aren't today.
Somethings going on.
| 3:18 pm on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I've seen Googlebot crawling madly my site today. Also the number of serps for site:www.mysite.foo is slowly decreasing. Started up with 320.000, now at 299.000 - normal is something around 100.000.
My site has been hit by the dupe filter at Sep, 22nd. I hope to see it back the next days. Crossing fingers.
Apparently the dupe filter (or whatever else it might be) is going on to hit other sites.
| 3:26 pm on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)|
From what you are saying lorel, it would appear that google are doing a pr and bl update seasonally.
Lets hope we can all weather the storm when the autumnal update swings by.
sorry, i'll get me coat ;oP
| 4:13 pm on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)|
"I'm going to start focusing on MSN, Y, and other large SE's."
Other large ones? The way I see it there is only one large, two small, and two teeny ones.. Stats for the week(Monday start) so far. Guess it varies depending on what country you're in.
1 www.google.com 3,840 63.6%
2 search.yahoo.com 859 14.2%
3 www.google.ca 358 5.9%
4 search.msn.com 322 5.3%
5 aolsearch.aol.com 96 1.6%
6 web.ask.com 76 1.3%
7 www.google.co.uk 73 1.2%
8 images.google.com 46 0.8%
9 www.comcast.net 41 0.7%
10 www.google.com.au 22 0.4%
| 6:07 pm on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)|
You are correct - I am banking on a shift in market share. I am unhappy with Google as a "surfer" as of late. The results are poor.
This will lead to a loss in market share. Where will they search when G provides crappy results... everywhere else. Thus, the reason I am going to focus on them.
I think we are going to start seeing a balance between search engine giants. I firmly believe that in the not so far off future - MSN, G and Y will all have similar market share in the search engine game.
| 6:37 pm on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I certainly hope you're correct, NoLimits.
I always liked Inktomi. I was a client when they were pay-for-inclusion and then and now I find they deliver an excellent product with a minimum of problems.
While Google's "superior technology" can't seem to figure out that the 1/2 dozen scraper sites stealing my content are not my real domain and takes away all PR from my homepage because of it - knocking me down to page kazillion in SERP's - Inktomi just chugs along dealing with scrapers and other frauds with no discernable problem and keeping me where I deserve to be. I'm not expedia so I don't expect to be #1 for everything but I DO expect to be top 5 for my major KW's which I have always been (fingers crossed, salt over my shoulder, spit in the river) on Inktomi fed SEs.
Same result on MSN.
| 9:58 pm on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)|
"...Just to clarify for all readers, Google considers it to be an update when they add a new element to their algorithm. But over the past years, they already have installed many elements and those elements come with "dials" that can be turned up and turned down..."
The reasons why Google has taken this path:
=> Manageability of the overall process
=> Using the "Dials" method..Google can "test" for new revenue opportunities in many different sectors against usability data as the "Dials" are tweaked ...
=> In the old days (this certainly dates me) ... when Lycos, Hotbot, AltaVista, Yahoo...where the early engines...it was so easy to know when the bots were coming and then unleash tons of optimized content for fast and furious rankings (and if you grabbed top spots in HotBot...you sat there for 2 months because of their update cycle)...Google has worked hard to break this with their "rolling updates" .... and multiple bot IPs and DataCenter Topology....plus the infamous "sandbox" <= I hate that phrase...
=> From Google's perspective...it is all about "data mining" the huge amount of data they generate daily (with a bunch of very cool interactive interfaces developed out in house for this)... and then work the "Dials" against their business model...for continued revenue growth..
Just some thoughts...feel free to agree or disagree (do I even have to ask? :-))
| 10:19 pm on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Other large ones? The way I see it there is only one large, two small, and two teeny ones.. |
Let's see, on my old site
Google Images 8.5%
Netscape and dogpile are still doing surprisingly good at about .5% each.
| 10:58 pm on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I have logs from 1997 to current for several sites.
I've seen the rise of G recorded in log files, and my logs now tell me that G is starting to slip, for my sites.
Logs will vary greatly per person, but I do believe that G has topped out in terms of SE market share. (a few months back)
Even though Y and MSN aren't exactly moving zounds of traffic compared to G - they are still extremely significant, and those who forget about them will be kicking themselves later.
| 1:13 am on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I moved and was offline as of Sept 23 when life was wonderful on Google. I finally got cable installed and was horrified on Oct 2 to see that of my 75 keywords which 75% were on page 1 the rest in top 5 pages were all most either gone or had dropped to 10th - 15th page.
The only thing that has changed is that I lost a good PR 5 link sometime this summer pointing to my home page. I use good seo, good content etc. Sites of friends of mine that use same techniques as I are fine.
I do not have a clue as to what happened, but it is like my site is being penalized for something, I am still there on some keywords just out of the running for any sales.
I have participated in the sitemap program, have wondered if that had something to do with it, but that has been at least 3 months since I started that.
A friends site was out of commission for a month after the last big update, but he did not have a cache. I have an update cache, so that isn't the problem. The only thing I can think of is in August and Sept, my cache was stuck at Aug 16th I think for days. I did finally get a Sept visit. Generally google updates my home page every day.
Very Frustrating and at the worst time of the year, my sales were just starting to pick up nicely.
| 2:31 am on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I'm in a similar boat, everlast.
I am trying to figure out which is the problem.
1) I have been hit hard by scrapers stealing my content. A Google search for allinurl: widgets.com does not even list a url from my site until page 2 - all page 1 is stolen content in frames (many of which defy my framebuster script). I am pursuing this with Google.
2) I'm not sure if Google is defining links back to my home page from my subdomain urls as external links. Since they are all PR0, they may be totally swamping my legitimate links.
I'll let you know if one of the other problem turns out to be it as I can't believe my nice, clean PR4-5 site has been PR0'd (cept for a few internal pages).
| 2:54 am on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)|
If it wasn't for Yahoo/Inktomi and MSN I'd be totally dead and I've seen total Yahoo referrals rising steadily (course now they're my largest but even in absolute numbers they are steadily climbing over the past 6 or so months).
I think all of us would benefit from SE parity. Google has gotten to the point where its like our concerns are an irritant to them...kinda "let us make millions out of your content in the form of search results but don't bother us with complaints if we PR0 you for no valid reason."
Gotta say I have a rooting interest in Inktomi rising from its ashes like the Phoenix. Purely sentimental as they were the first SE I was ever in and got a referral from, back when they were pay-for-inclusion. I'd like to see them get back something on Google.
| 12:38 pm on Oct 7, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Ok, index pages are back, but ranking has suffled around. We've lost a few positions for most of our terms.
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