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Google's Pending September Update
I have seen some changes in geo...
rishic

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Msg#: 31509 posted 2:49 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hello People,

Have been waiting for google's pending update but didn't get any on that. From last two days I have noticed extreme changes in search results for same google domain (like .com or .de or .nl etc.) with different interface language selected (like hl=de or hl=en or hl=nl). When you change the interface language the whole bunch of results are different.

Is this the actual update this time? Enabling the geo centric data which google wanted to implement for better localization? If yes (and if someone else is also seeing this change) then may be we can all identify the parameters of this new change, like language, servers in geographical locations or extensions (.de, .nl etc.)

-- rishi

 

ciscoforum

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Msg#: 31509 posted 4:59 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Didn't someone post a while back that this happened to him last time? Dropped off then came back a couple days later.

walkman



 
Msg#: 31509 posted 5:18 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)


>> Didn't someone post a while back that this happened to him last time? Dropped off then came back a couple days later.
always happens, especially during updates. It's hard to stay calm but it happens. Sites drop and come back.

reseller

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Msg#: 31509 posted 6:21 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Good morning Folks

Just wish to ask;

Do you think that our good friends at the plex have deployed filters to some sectors or is it "general" filters.

Or is it algo changes .. or something else?

Thanks!

Max_M

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Msg#: 31509 posted 6:23 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Wow!
Normally I am Google's biggest fan and pretty much sit on the side lines why all this goes on and wait it out. But today, while searching for a specific Linux command to use for an application I'm working on, after going back 3 pages I gave up and said what the heck and ran the search on MSN.

I can't believe I found EXACTLY what I was looking for under the 3rd listing.

Normally, it is the other way around. I can only hope that whatever filters they are playing with will work their way through and go back to actually giving good results again.

I had the same experience with google recently, searching for a specific perl command and was served with pages upon pages of crap, many dead ends, 404's or utterly unrelated pages.

Gave up after 20 minutes of trying to shift through the crap ("Relevant search results" NOT). Found it on yahoo on first pages 2nd listing. What the hell is wrong with google lately. It is seriously messed up and most listings are badly out of date (supplemental results galore).

Max_M

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Msg#: 31509 posted 6:37 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Good morning Folks
Just wish to ask;

Do you think that our good friends at the plex have deployed filters to some sectors or is it "general" filters.

Or is it algo changes .. or something else?

Thanks!

Something else!

The "something" that causes adwords clicks to go 10%-20% higher. Short term bottom line gains......long term massive damage to their reputation OR the plex is being run by a fresh group of monkeys lately. Nothing else can explain/justify the way the SERPs are looking like recently.

McMohan

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Msg#: 31509 posted 6:50 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Do you think that our good friends at the plex have deployed filters to some sectors or is it "general" filters.

reseller, it looks like a filter. The order of the SERPs are the same, with few sites yanked out of their original positions. The intent is clear. The sites that try to influence google ranks, whitehat or otherwise, are punished. But looks like whitehats affected the most. Nothing to do with on-site factors.

reseller

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Msg#: 31509 posted 7:58 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Max_M & McMohan

Thanks for feedback.

I have a feeling that our friend Matt Cutts & Co are going this time after, among other things, what they consider "artificial linking", for example purchased links and heavy reciprocal linking.

Dayo_UK

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Msg#: 31509 posted 8:15 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

66.102.7.104 vs 216.239.59.103

Well the 66.102.7.104 results have spread to 4 C-classes (including that one)

and the 216.239.59.103 results have spread to 6 C-classes (including that one)

But it looks like only certain sites are getting effected by this rather than a general update?

reseller

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Msg#: 31509 posted 8:22 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Dayo_UK

You mightbe able to see your "lost" sites on these two lovely DCs

[216.239.63.99...]
[216.239.63.104...]

Cīmon give me the good news ;-)

Armi

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Msg#: 31509 posted 8:26 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

64.233.189.104
216.239.53.104
216.239.63.104
216.239.53.99
66.102.7.99
66.102.7.104
66.102.7.105
66.102.7.147

looks good for me (no supplementals before November 2004!)

Dayo_UK

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Msg#: 31509 posted 8:36 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

No Reseller those dcs and the ones on Armi list look crap to me.

The results on those DCs just look like the lingering embers of what happened on the 22nd September - this often happens with updates that a slight reversal on some dcs but then they die out.

However, if others are seeing sites come back from before the 22nd September update then perhaps that is more encouraging.

For me however more encouraging is the spread of the 216.239.59.103 results and as they have spread further than Armi list perhaps these are the results to come - however they do both look like they are spreading.

Although until I get good crawl hard to judge.

Armi

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Msg#: 31509 posted 8:41 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

I donīt see any differences on 216.239.59.103 an other DataCenters (not in the list).

216.239.59.103 has old supplementals (february 2004 - november 2004)! The DataCenters in my list not.

Dayo_UK

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Msg#: 31509 posted 8:52 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, Armi - I gathered not everyone was seeing.

But trust me they are certainly moving.

IMO It just seems the ones on your list are a throwback and the ones on 216.239.59.103 etc are more progressive.

For what it is worth - if we are talking about supplementals clogging up the index.

216.239.59.103 - 4850 results for a site that appears to be all supplemental.

216.239.53.104 - 26,400 results for a site that appears to be all supplemental.

But different factors might be going on on different dcs and they will later get merged - I dont know.

Dayo_UK

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Msg#: 31509 posted 9:13 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Full list of the dc which seem better (IMO) - as people are so keen on full lists here rather than c-classes.

216.239.59.104
216.239.59.105
216.239.59.106
216.239.59.107
216.239.59.147
216.239.59.99
64.233.167.104
64.233.167.105
64.233.167.106
64.233.167.107
64.233.167.147
64.233.167.99
64.233.183.104
64.233.183.106
64.233.183.107
64.233.183.99
66.102.11.104
66.102.11.106
66.102.11.107
66.102.11.99
66.249.85.104
66.249.85.99
66.249.87.104
66.249.87.99

However, Google - please send Gbot out soon - a couple of my sites have not been crawled properly for ages due to canonical url problems (then we will be able to judge)

reseller

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Msg#: 31509 posted 9:51 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Dayo_UK

>>No Reseller those dcs and the ones on Armi list look crap to me.<<

Sorry to hear that. However those two DCs are nothing less than Update Bacon Polenta front troops and contains very fresh data, I guess ;-)

[216.239.63.99...]
[216.239.63.104...]

ciscoforum

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Msg#: 31509 posted 10:29 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Roughly how many ips do google have?

anttiv

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Msg#: 31509 posted 11:00 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google just killed the rest of my site. First it was filtered on Sept 22 and now all the remaining subdomains were also filtered out - just a couple of hours after I finally received an answer from Google saying "your site is not penalized, get more links bla bla". And the pages dropped at the same time on all datacenters so it's not related to this ongoing update.

My only pages doing well right now are auto generated Adsense link pages. Maybe Google likes them because they have Adsense on it.

As for the update: still seeing two sets of results for my keywords.

Group 1:
not a big change for me:
216.239.37
216.239.39
216.239.57
216.239.59
64.233.161
64.233.167
64.233.171
64.233.179
64.233.183
64.233.185
64.233.187
66.102.9
66.102.11

Group 2:
Some 9/22 sites are back but other sites dropped nowhere. Some countries have been using these results for 2-3 days already:
216.239.53
216.239.63
64.233.189
66.102.7

What shall it be? 1 or 2?

Max_M

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Msg#: 31509 posted 11:38 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have a feeling that our friend Matt Cutts & Co are going this time after, among other things, what they consider "artificial linking", for example purchased links and heavy reciprocal linking.

Don't know....it looks like they are too busy fighting shadows and natural economic forces, patching and over patching an over patched busted algo.

Yahoo and MSN seems to be doing just fine....it is only google that appears to be seriously choking on spam. The irony, the more they fight spam (and wipe millions of innocent sites in the process) the more they seam to be choked by it to the point were the SERPs look like a very sad joke now a days.

Dayo_UK

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Msg#: 31509 posted 11:52 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>My only pages doing well right now are auto generated Adsense link pages.

Lovely.

>>>Group 2:
>>>Some 9/22 sites are back but other sites dropped nowhere. Some countries have been using these results for 2-3 days already:
>>>216.239.53
>>>216.239.63
>>>64.233.189
>>>66.102.7

The more I look at these they just look like the last embers of the changes from the 22nd.

But we will see.

It does look like another stab at fixing canonical urls - but please Google remember these sites are not crawled well and are desperatly needing a crawl (which does not place them in the sandbox! - yuck can see it now - canonical problem sites get there pages back - G think to many pages to quick - better sandbox the site!)

JoeHouse

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Msg#: 31509 posted 12:08 pm on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Question

About a week ago I had approximately 12,000 pages indexed on google. Then it dropped to just over 600 pages.

Can it be possible that the 12,000 page were an inaccurate count and I actual have only 600+ pages?

Or did google drop some pages? How can I tell whats what?

The other possibility could be that because I am a newbie site (about 6 months old) maybe my site pages were purposely dropped to keep me out of the rankings?

Any thoughts?

DannyS

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 31509 posted 12:49 pm on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Our Oscommerce sites are being hit hard in the following blocks:
66.102.7
216.239.53
216.239.63
64.233.189

We are in Thailand and Google.com is using the 66.102.7.104 here so that's how we noticed it. Not sure but I begin to suspect that it might be internal duplicate pages getting filtered as Oscommerce has two URL paths to the same product file, one direct and one via the category. This becomes four when you throw in shared SSL paths.

All of the sites have some recip. linking and there is some light intersite linking which has passed OK for the last couple of years. Most of the competitors sites in the keywords we are following look fairly stable so the "new filter" is very selective. In answer to an earlier question, there is no Adsense on the sites.

cristinita

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Msg#: 31509 posted 12:57 pm on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

DannyS,

Don't worry much, I believe that there are many SEOs around here who seem to be OK with the changes in those DCs.

So, if SEOs are happy changes do not spread...and the other way around

I bet XXXXX that the SERPs on those DCs will vanish in the next 24-48 hours

wiseapple

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Msg#: 31509 posted 1:15 pm on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

How do updates proceed?

Do they usually proceed from the datacenters local to Googleplex (Santa Clara)? And then spread out to the remote datacenters?

Anyone notice a pattern?

bether2

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Msg#: 31509 posted 1:51 pm on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

About a week ago I had approximately 12,000 pages indexed on google. Then it dropped to just over 600 pages.

Can it be possible that the 12,000 page were an inaccurate count and I actual have only 600+ pages?

I think people would need to know how many pages your site actually has (or how many pages you think have been crawled so far), before anyone could venture a guess on this one.

The other possibility could be that because I am a newbie site (about 6 months old) maybe my site pages were purposely dropped to keep me out of the rankings?

I think this is unlikely.

jmdb71

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Msg#: 31509 posted 3:09 pm on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

what do you think are the chances that this IP will be the new google results:

216.239.59.103

It seems to give good results, not dropping all relevant pages like some of the IPs are, but intelligently pushing back some duplicate content. If this version of google doesnt stick, im in TROUBLE - all me legitimate and relevant pages other than my home page will be moved back or dropped, as per the other set of results.....

BillyS

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Msg#: 31509 posted 3:39 pm on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

216.239.59.103 - Based on what I've seen with my website, this is where I think the results are going.

randle

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Msg#: 31509 posted 3:40 pm on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Getting a different look here, could be just us but its for several different sites.

[66.102.7.105...]

reseller

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Msg#: 31509 posted 3:50 pm on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

I still see 4 sets of results on the DCs for my testing keyphrases.

Therefore nothing is settled yet, and we can only guess and assume which way the DCs are heading ;-)

Dayo_UK

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Msg#: 31509 posted 3:51 pm on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yep we are going in circles (he he as per norm)

There are 2 sets of different results floating around.

Unfortunately it is impossible to tell if one will win, or neither will win, or a mix of the two.

No guidance from above either ;)

Ok - reseller said the same in his post at the same time ;)

wiseapple

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Msg#: 31509 posted 3:55 pm on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

These are the dcs that get us out of the dungeon.

216.239.53.99
216.239.53.104
66.102.7.104
66.102.7.105
66.102.7.99
66.102.7.147
64.233.189.104
216.239.63.99
216.239.63.104

We have been in the dungeon since Feb. 2nd. So I am guessing for these dcs that they have loosened the filters or this is where the reinclusion requests are.

How long does this usually go on?

reseller

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Msg#: 31509 posted 4:09 pm on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

wiseapple

>>How long does this usually go on? <<

Did you mean: Update Bacon Polenta ;-)

For few weeks more, I guess. Following the same pattern as the latest Borboun update.

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