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Google's Pending September Update
I have seen some changes in geo...
rishic




msg:740422
 2:49 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hello People,

Have been waiting for google's pending update but didn't get any on that. From last two days I have noticed extreme changes in search results for same google domain (like .com or .de or .nl etc.) with different interface language selected (like hl=de or hl=en or hl=nl). When you change the interface language the whole bunch of results are different.

Is this the actual update this time? Enabling the geo centric data which google wanted to implement for better localization? If yes (and if someone else is also seeing this change) then may be we can all identify the parameters of this new change, like language, servers in geographical locations or extensions (.de, .nl etc.)

-- rishi

 

walkman




msg:740602
 7:39 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> Well, directory guys, I hope your easy life ends soon.

first I don't do directories, but I doubt that easy, at least compared to other fields. I find it hard to judge others, when many think I have it easy. They just seem to forget that it didn't happen overnight, and that stupid mistake and I have to stay on the edge till it's fixed.

[edited by: walkman at 7:50 pm (utc) on Oct. 10, 2005]

Dayo_UK




msg:740603
 7:39 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

sailorjwd

Perhaps G are just working or trying to get on top of the Canonical url problem.

However, I agree Pessimisum is probably the way to go when looking at G these days.

zafile




msg:740604
 7:46 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

One thing for sure, I won't miss the directory guys!

The Web will be a lot nicer without directories.

I'm looking forward for SERPs free of directories. The Yahoo! directory is more than enough.

walkman




msg:740605
 7:59 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

quick question:
Does Google count (as far as calculating SERPS)
1. Deleted pages via [services.google.com:8882...] I know the pages are still in Google's db, but maybe they keep those separate when calculating too.

2. Supplemental pages. There's this guy with three made for adsense directory that has scrapped /linked me from about 200 pages total. They're supplementals, but I have a feeling...

steveb




msg:740606
 8:55 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Clearly not an update, but loads of Supplementals being dumped back in, as well as some childish spam (apparently some actual sites lost previously too but I see none of that). Typically this is pre-update behavior, but I would guess it is more panic indexing.

Sadly Google seems to still not have a handle on the problem. Dumping more and more and more of these Supplementals from 2004 that no longer exists back into the index is NOT helping.

It's been a year and a half since their post Brandy collapse, and two and a half years since the mega meltdown pre-dominic. It's unbelievable that they still have not recovered.

On the seriously bad news front. After the 22nd I put a new page back in the slot of a Supplemental Result. The page was crawled several times. After it showed the new "page moved" cache without a fresh date I put a 301 on it. (I've done this with a dozen pages but this was the first.) The new page/cache showed for just under two weeks, but today it reverted to only showing the ancient Supplemental.

So, it still seems imposible to get rid of a Supplemental. In twelve hours or so after the next Eversux, err Everflux, (just to give it one more chance to see if the 301 will be obeyed) I'll take the 301 off and put the "page moved" page back up, and leave it for three weeks or so, then try to 301 it again.

Hey Googleplex folks, how about using your 20% time to come up with a search engine that ranks pages, not pages from eighteen months ago?

jmdb71




msg:740607
 9:21 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

like many others here, my site at www.tools4flooring.com used to rank high for all pages. now the main domain will come up for some of the relevant searches, but all of my individual product pages have bascially disapeared. instead of my site pages, lots of non-relevant content will be displyed.

it seems too, that the shortened url is coming up instead of the full. i had redirected all of these urls a LONG time ago, and am not sure why google is resurrecting these and replacing my high ranking full url pages with these, which either rank poorly or not at all.

So do you guys think this is a temporary deal with google, or am i going to have to wait months for a fix?

mjtaylor




msg:740608
 9:27 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Things are changing as I check them ... a few minutes ago many of my sites were gone from the first page of SERPs on 216.239.59.104 ... now they are back ...

I checked all the other IPs listed in this post ... and

64.233.167.99
64.233.167.104
64.233.167.147

were showing my sites dropped... and for a while, so was my default Google ...

now they are back to "normal" ... sometimes I think I should just sleep through the knob-twisting!

tmartini




msg:740609
 9:38 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)


At least for my market segment (online coupons) the Santa Clara datacenter (66.102.7.*) is showing pre 9/22 listings, which is a good thing. You can actually find what you're looking for. Last night and this morning the Santa Clara datacenter was the default Google site, but that shifted about an hour ago. Until it comes back I'm rerouting all of my Adsense search traffic through the Santa Clara datacenter to ensure that my visitors are getting relevant search results in our market.

-- T

jmdb71




msg:740610
 9:48 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

mjtaylor, you are a lifesaver!

i checked that google url - 216.239.59.104 - and all of my pages were back again too!

i guess all i can do now is wait.

Do you think that this google url will prevail, or is it just the last one left to drop my pages :(

?

tmartini




msg:740611
 9:52 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

One other observation. Sidekick Search (search.prod1.dngr.net), PeoplePC Search, CouponMountain Search and quite a few others are also exclusively using the Santa Clara datacenter search results. Not sure if this was done intentionally (like I'm doing) or if they normally use only this datacenter.

-- Todd

peter andreas




msg:740612
 9:56 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm going away for a few days and see what its like when I come back. can't be bothered to worry about it anymore

JuniorOptimizer




msg:740613
 9:58 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Maybe they're running tests on conversions.

steveb




msg:740614
 9:58 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Update for posterity's sake... on 216.239.59.104 the Supplemetal I'm trying to kill mentioned a few posts above is now gone, which would be tremendous news if it sticks, but it was gone for an hour yesterday on another datacenter then came back as a Supplemental. We'll see...

No recovery on that datacenter for any lost site I've been tracking though.

walkman




msg:740615
 9:59 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> Supplementals

wish me good luck. Just removed almost LOT of them via google's remove service. I HOPE that it is case sensitive, otherwise I'm screwed royally. All my old files are Capitalized so I went ahead with it...

wiseapple




msg:740616
 10:10 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Here are the DCs that are flipping:

216.239.53.99
216.239.53.104
66.102.7.104
66.102.7.105
66.102.7.99
66.102.7.147
64.233.189.104

Some seem like in the middle of an update. If you refresh a few times - you will get different results.

mjtaylor




msg:740617
 10:22 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

216.239.59.99 is the only one that seems to be consistent .... all those results look like last week's to me ... when all was well in my world ... I had seen a few jiggles but nothing alarming ... now, as the post above mentions many of the DCs seem to be shifting ... and when I go to my default Google I see different results from minute to minute ... makes me rather nervous, but I recovered from the Florida update and I will recover from whatever this resolves to be ...

Thanks for listening ... and thanks to all those who know so much more about this than I do ... without this forum, I wouldn't know what DCs were ...

Cheers, MJ

BillyS




msg:740618
 10:29 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Looks like three sets of results for me. We've got an "old" set, a new set and one that's making its way to the new set.

pontifex




msg:740619
 11:09 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

BillyS:

that is, what i tried to report a few weeks ago, but people here said: data centers, yadda yadda... well, i got my IP protocol under control and learned by heart. I know what we are talking about, and I agree: it is a result set of 3 different indeces, beeing rotated.

let's say you got 100 results in set A, 110 in B and 105 in C. You will see an update at least after 36 hours on one of them. For me, it looks like A would grow to 103, B and C stay. 36 hours later, B goes to 111, A and C stay... that goes round and round for 8 month for me on a new domain I watch.

cheers,
p!

JuniorOptimizer




msg:740620
 11:43 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

IMHO, they're testing the traffic to see which ones bring in the most money.

steveb




msg:740621
 12:00 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Just removed almost LOT of them via google's remove service"

Unfortunately this will (likely) accomplish nothing. The URLs aren't removed. They are just hidden, and will reappear again in six months.

However, since things change all the time, perhaps removing URLs micht bring back a September 22 site. Let us know walkman.

MLHmptn




msg:740622
 12:56 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)


IMHO, they're testing the traffic to see which ones bring in the most money.

And the sick part is people actually promote google with adsense!

I am honestly stricken when I hear people say that Google is the most relevant search engine...Laugh, with their Adwords they are! :>

NoLimits




msg:740623
 1:02 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

I would suspect that if that was really what they were doing... the least relavant listings would almost surely bring in the most ad click throughs.

When the ads become the most relavant item on the page...

walkman




msg:740624
 1:05 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> Unfortunately this will (likely) accomplish nothing. The URLs aren't removed. They are just hidden, and will reappear again in six months.

not if I leave the entries on the main robots.txt--or so says google. Either way, they have a unique extension and a 410 error is genererated when Google tries to get the file.

I just didn't want to wait till they do a major, major crawl (to include suppl. too)

GoogleGuy, can you please clarify the issues raised on message #184, without spilling any trade secrets ;)?

Rob_Cook




msg:740625
 1:22 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

MLHmptn, I couldn't agree more. It's been some time (at least 12 months now) since I used Google as my first-choice s/e. If I want a comprehensive list of results, I go elsewhere and, if I'm noticing this as a regular s/e user, it makes me wonder why more people are not having to do the same!

steveb




msg:740626
 1:37 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

"or so says google"

Ignore what it says. Supplementals don't get removed by the URL removal tool. And they don't get removed when googlebot crawls to their nothng-there URL.

MLHmptn




msg:740627
 1:38 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Rob_Cook,

Well the sick part is one year ago you wouldn't have 10% clickthrough rate with any adwords ads....Now I see it regulary if not greater. I actually have one ad that gets 27.8% CTR and it's not even the top ad! Another site I run has a general 2 phrase term for something supplies and my CTR on the 2nd page of ads is 7%! What does that tell you? Relevance in Google's SERPS?! I guess it works out though because relevant shoppers are clicking through because their SERP's suck A$$!

wiseapple




msg:740628
 1:41 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

New Google results being served up to the Earthlink portal. (search.earthlink.net)

NoLimits




msg:740629
 1:56 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

*Faints*

I seriously hope this passes. More and more of my sites pages are being converted to URL listings.

I hope the title information gets passed... there is a lot of activity in the serps. I saw lots of different results when searching the different datacenters.

I have lots of time sensitive articles, and this is wiping out months worth of progress aimed at the future.

I am going to keep my calm... continue to write pages - and wait for them to re-appear. I just hope the gravy train is still running when/if the majority of my sites pages re-appear.

FattyB




msg:740630
 2:08 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well early indications for us look good. Traffic pickng up today, best since Sept 22 freefall. Site sections showing up in proper reflection of the traffic they get.

Will hold out a bit before breathing a sigh though.

phpdude




msg:740631
 2:11 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Wow!

Normally I am Google's biggest fan and pretty much sit on the side lines why all this goes on and wait it out. But today, while searching for a specific Linux command to use for an application I'm working on, after going back 3 pages I gave up and said what the heck and ran the search on MSN.

I can't believe I found EXACTLY what I was looking for under the 3rd listing.

Normally, it is the other way around. I can only hope that whatever filters they are playing with will work their way through and go back to actually giving good results again.

ciscoforum




msg:740632
 4:59 am on Oct 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Didn't someone post a while back that this happened to him last time? Dropped off then came back a couple days later.

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