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Google's Pending September Update
I have seen some changes in geo...

 2:49 pm on Oct 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hello People,

Have been waiting for google's pending update but didn't get any on that. From last two days I have noticed extreme changes in search results for same google domain (like .com or .de or .nl etc.) with different interface language selected (like hl=de or hl=en or hl=nl). When you change the interface language the whole bunch of results are different.

Is this the actual update this time? Enabling the geo centric data which google wanted to implement for better localization? If yes (and if someone else is also seeing this change) then may be we can all identify the parameters of this new change, like language, servers in geographical locations or extensions (.de, .nl etc.)

-- rishi



 10:02 am on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Oh ffs - a site that Google was treating the Canonical page correctly (or so it appeared) and was getting crawled again - G has now got wrong.

Listen Google - I will say this only another 90 times. The canonical url for my site is the homepage with the www - I have done the 301 - this is the page with the most backlinks - it is the page that should rank for the company name search. Etc.

and where is Googlebot for these sites with Canonical url problems?


 10:39 am on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Would you be kind to enlighten us of your contemporary, comprehensive, extraordinary definition of an update."

Let me try :-)

There are three kinds of updates PR-update, Backlinks-update and algorithm-update. PR-upd and Bk-upd are purely data updates and PR-upd still has some value (although it is going down at a high rate) and Bk-upd is totally useless, it is just to please/confuse seo guys.

The main update is algo-upd [popularly known as Google Update or just update], this is not DATA update but CODE update. Here the ranking rules are twicked and modified, it is typically done every three months and it takes anything from one week to four weeks to implement accross the data centers.

The changes which people keep talking about are changes in SERPs which are not directly related to an update, although when an update happens SERPs also change. SERPs change due to a lot of factors and this is an ongoing, never ending process; Googlebot getting more pages/links and the inbuilt 'randomness' of google to keep it 'not simple' are the main two reasons for it.

People who keep cursing google should understand that it is not childs play, it is serious business and at the moment no other search engine is even 20% of google. I totally understand the agony of being on top page and then suddenly thrown out of it, but that doesn't mean it is doing anything 'bad'. Only 10 pages can be on top for a phrase, and tens of thousands are not. Therefore the ratio of people happy/not-happy is pretty skewed. And also the ratio of people who-were-happy/now-are-not-happy will also increase by time.

-- rishi


 10:41 am on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Someday Google will be sued for unfair trade practices.

As a public company Google will also be investigated by the FTC and the congress.
The internet is a free market system and Google has restricted participation by favoring
certain types of web sites and shunting others to their graveyard.

A huge number of honest webmasters and the general public are being shafted by Google's restrictive trade practices.
All the webmasters who have been knowingly shafted by Google since November 2003 would fill up several Superdomes.

Some will write that we need to be grateful for any traffic Google sends us.
LOL - Yeah, I'm also grateful to the gasoline companies for making gasoline available for my hog regardless of the cost.
But "grateful" does not negate my position that they have unfair trade practices.

Google nor any other search engine owes me jack, however they do need to be intellectually honest in their business
dealings and cut the gaming crap with their algorithmns.

Just my 2c worth

peter andreas

 10:43 am on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

From what Iv'e tried the results aren't good at the moment, From a phantom search from our stats I would objectively say the first three results are good and give the searcher a good site, the rest are on subject but not exactly what is asked for, hopefully a glitch. Seen a lot of .govs and links to yahoo or google directories in the top 10. But people are still getting to us as the phantom searches proove just which way is this spreading?


 10:46 am on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, Rishic true and a code updata is due :)

OK - this is not a data update that is being seen but a code update IMO ;).

The 216.239.59.* and 66.102.7.** both show the updated code :) - However for me the 66.102.7.** has canonical url problems for my site which I thought G has sorted (G had sorted canonical url probs for that site only - small site not my main site - so my countdown continues ;))

For other suffering do the test which I try to see if this may have happended to your site.

Eg - site:www.domain.com www.domain.com (Homepage should be first) and "www.domain.com" as a phrase (Homepage should be first)

In 216.239.59.* the site is first for that search and rankings look pretty good - in 66.102.7.** I am not first and rankings = worse.


 11:00 am on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Oops sorry - I was getting confused with 66.102.7.** and 66.102.11.**

To me the 66.102.7.* look crap too.

However, the results first seen on 216.239.59.*
66.102.11.* and 64.233.167.* look like they are spreading.

Hmmmmz - GG time to name this baby? I think Bret said it was your turn to name an update!

peter andreas

 11:12 am on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

From our point of view as I watch our google traffic slip into the abyss this is most definetly an update.

OK I'm not blaming google, but could someone please explain what guidlines we should follow.I honestly do not know what we have done wrong unless its this recip link to a new site surely not?


 11:20 am on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

At the moment is giving company to 66.102.7.** dcs.


 11:21 am on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)


The sites that are doing badly on those dcs - have you done the homepage check I do - as above.

Or is just general crapness on those dcs rather than individual sites.


 11:40 am on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Dayo, I did the tests you mentioned, but sites don't seem have any canonical URL problems there. Those 2 dcs seem to have gone after sites that do link exchanges (2-way or 3-way). Again, not without any exceptions.
As soapystar had mentioned, some sort of trustrank seems to have been introduced as a result many mom-&-pop sites have taken a beating.


 12:18 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

serps are solid as a rock.

This is not an update!


 12:24 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

"This is not an update!"

Keep on telling yourself that. From where I'm sitting this is huge.


 12:24 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I see results moving around different data centers. Currently new results on

BUT interestingly and coming back to the intial topic of this post, when I see new results there is invariably the word "English" in grey to the bottom right of the Google logo.

(This doesn't appear on google.com or google.co.uk)


 12:28 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Various people on this board have been crying 'Update!' for so long now that another such cry loses it's believability.

The boy who cried wolf springs to mind.

Today, serps have been rock solid for me across multimple sites and keywords.


 12:29 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Update! Im back......


 12:30 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>> From where I'm sitting this is huge.

It does look like it is huge.

But JuniorOptimizer you want the 66.102.7.* but to me they dont look like they include new data.

Perhaps it is too early to tell.

But other dcs seem more advanced in some aspects than others - perhaps when all combined we can start judging.

(Google - please let this be the fix for Canonical urls :) :) )


 12:32 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm back at also, so its spreading a bit.

There is definitely new data mixed in. I added 40 pages after 9/22 and they are in there ranking also.


 12:32 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

cirtyofgold. I think you need to look harder. If the results of the aforementioned data centers spread over the next day or so then the word update is more that justified. I can think of another too..catastrophe!


 12:34 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Weird - I am worse on those 2 dcs but better in 216.239.59.* 66.102.11.* and 64.233.167.* - mind you I went missing before Bourbon.

Perhaps it is the sign of improvements though, and the fix for my site needs to spread to the other dcs and the fix for your site needs to spread to mine - I hope so.

Although I need a good crawl before I can really tell


When did your sites go AWOL?


 12:35 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

In my sector there is zero movement across all the dc's that mcdar covers


 12:37 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Added to my above post - still not convinced G is getting canonical urls right - but this is the first time things have shaken up so much for my sites since the problems started.


 12:38 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

These were removed on 9/22, Dayo_UK.


 12:38 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0) and are showing different results. Which way is Google going?


 12:41 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>> and are showing different results. Which way is Google going?

Exactly which way is G going - or of course will they be combined?


 12:44 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0) vs

For me it means winter in a warm sunny tropical paradise (66) vs a cold spend-thrift winter in the northeast (216)

I have one browser page open to wood burning stoves and another opened on Bahamas resorts...


 12:52 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

"For me it means winter in a warm sunny tropical paradise (66) vs a cold spend-thrift winter in the northeast (216)

I have one browser page open to wood burning stoves and another opened on Bahamas resorts... "

This is completely true for me also, even the area code. The only difference is I'll probably go to Jamaica because the Bahamas are a little chilly in December :)


 12:52 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)


When did your site go Awol?

I am hoping that some sites are being bought back on some dcs and other sites on other dcs and when they merge we might just be about there?


 12:54 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

On the - how many back from Feb. 2nd?


 12:55 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)


lost 60% on Feb 2 and the rest on May 5th.


 12:56 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)




 12:56 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

too many SEOs happy about, then it is likely that it won't spread...although IMHO it shows the best results...neutral impact for me though..brings back a really top quality site above me and one crappy one, currently at #2 vanishes

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