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discrete298




msg:749923
 4:07 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

My site is about 8 months old and gets decent traffic from Yahoo and MSN, but only gets only a couple of visitors a day from Google for mostly obscure keyphrase searches. The site has many inbound links from pages with PR 5 or higher.

The question is, Is this site in G's sandbox? How long does it take for a site to break out of the sandbox? How will I know when my site gets out of the sandbox?

 

bbcarter




msg:750013
 6:51 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ya, I read all 9 pages here.

Check my experience out- I have new sites with PR but no ranking or Goog traffic...

I have a 2000+ page site that used to be PR5 and got 95% of its traffic from Google... but I tried to go from a one niche site to a multiple niche site, and maybe they put me back in the sandbox!

my major source of traffic now? Google images. So sick of that, because they are dumb entertainment images, and the entertainment surfers don't buy or click on adsense, so I took all the jpgs off my acct- no free bandwidth for you Google. Bad Google!

B

RockyB




msg:750014
 7:33 pm on Oct 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yeah, as mentioned earlier, Google Image Search still has access to any sandboxed sites :(

Bad Google, Bad!

lizald5




msg:750015
 4:02 pm on Oct 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi - new to this forum - so some advice please

I started building my site in February this year and intitially the only traffic I was getting was from Google - that stopped in about May and MSN took over and my stats really took off (comparatively I mean - not 10s of thousands)

August and September were static - and now October sees a real decrease even though I am doing everything right (I'm sure) My site WOULD pass a manual review as being relevant to the keywords.

So this to me supports the sandbox theory.

This is from a previous posting on this thread and I'd like some clarification if possible please.

The first bit I understand and my site passes all those tests.

Your site is indexed
Your site has PageRank
It is regularly crawled, displaying cache dates not more than 10 days old
If you search for the site by entering www.xyz.com, it appears with the proper title, snippet, and url (www, or no www whichever you picked)

This I'm not sure about - can someone enlighten me please?

You rank in the top 20 for allinanchor
You rank in the top 20 for allintext
You rank in the top 20 for allintitle
You do not rank within the first 1000 places for the keyword the site was designed for

Incidentally - my home page comes in between #1 and #4 on MSN for its site concept keywords normally - I have loads of pages that rank #1 on MSN and gradually getting some in at Yahoo as well.

I'd appreciate any light being shed on this for me.

Thanks very much

Regards

Liz

JoeHouse




msg:750016
 2:27 am on Oct 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Just wondering

How do you know when google is about to let you out of the sandbox?

My site has hit the 6 month mark and in the last couple of weeks it appears google is putting my house in order.

What I mean by that is about a month ago I went from 12000 pages indexed to a little over 500 pages now.

I will notice keywords popping in and then out.

They appear to be removing dup pages etc....

I got this funny feeling that something positive is about to happen.

Can any body share any experience in regards to when they got out of the sandbox if they notice this kind of stuff too.

Or is it just my imagination?

Thanks in advance for your responses.

BillyS




msg:750017
 2:42 am on Oct 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

How do you know when google is about to let you out of the sandbox?

It happened in the middle of an update for me (July). There were no early warning signs. I had already cleaned up any duplicate content caused by 301s.

For me it came without any prior hint that I might be coming out of the sandbox. I was tracking many things (pages index, googlebot hits, referals...), but nothing was unusual. Just suddenly went from nowhere to somewhere.

JoeHouse




msg:750018
 3:19 am on Oct 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

BillyS

How long were you in the sandbox after you launched your site?

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:750019
 10:49 am on Oct 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

How do you know when google is about to let you out of the sandbox?

In my experience you don't.

buksida




msg:750020
 7:07 am on Oct 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have noticed nothing positive from Google on the sandbox front. Still buried 20 pages deep for my own site name. Been in there for 8 months now.

topper99




msg:750021
 4:48 pm on Oct 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

My site is only a couple of months old and the main page passes "the test" for everything except PR. Should I be concerned that I still have a PR of 0?

Thanks Much!

Wizard




msg:750022
 5:41 pm on Oct 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

If it was actually sandbox, a site was burried at about #50 and a few older sites linking to it (and having no more relevancy to its subject except keywords in anchor text) ranked about #10 - #20. After 3 moths of existance, the site in question jumped from #50 to #5 and begun rotating between #2 and #5. I would call this moment leaving the sandbox, but perhaps it was just climbing the SERPs because of acquiring a few good inbound links with proper anchor text. Now it stays #2 sice it acquired even more backlinks and I'm waiting when the #1 will fall down at last :)

JoeHouse




msg:750023
 6:00 pm on Oct 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

My problem concerning the sandbox is I believe I am on the bubble and about to come out. I am starting to see a few not very competitive keywords pop in and then out again. However my main keyword phrases are no where to be found yet.

I have done everything right. Got quantity and quality backlinks (many more than my competitors), optimized very well, you know the drill etc...

I don't how much longer google can keep me in the sandbox with out looking silly.

My site is as relevant as its gets and it should be listing in the top of the serps.

topper99




msg:750024
 6:17 pm on Oct 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

JoeHouse, do you find any page rank while you're "on the bubble" or is it currently 0?

JoeHouse




msg:750025
 7:17 pm on Oct 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

topper99

Its currently a PR4. But still on the bubble waiting for the sandbox to pop.

topper99




msg:750026
 7:42 pm on Oct 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

-Site is indexed
-DOES NOT have a PageRank
-It is regularly crawled
-If you search for the site by entering www.xyz.com, it appears with the proper title, etc.)
-It is in the top 20 for allinanchor
-It is in the top 20 for allintext
-It is in the top 20 for allintitle

The site is about two months old and I haven't read anything in this thread (or anywhere else) about another site in the same situation. Is it normal to not have a page rank at this point?

Thanks Much :(

JoeHouse




msg:750027
 10:53 pm on Oct 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

topper99

To answer your questions:

Question:Site is indexed
Anwser:Yes
Question:DOES NOT have a PageRank
Answer:Yes
Question:It is regularly crawled
Answer:Yes
Question:If you search for the site by entering www.xyz.com, it appears with the proper title, etc.)
Answer:Yes
Question:It is in the top 20 for allinanchor
Answer:No
Question:It is in the top 20 for allintext
Answer:No
Question:It is in the top 20 for allintitle
Answer:No

bears5122




msg:750028
 10:57 pm on Oct 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Topper99, I hope this will help.

First, you won't have PageRank till the next update, which is fine. Google updates internally the PageRank all the time, so you essentially have it, it's just not visible to the public. They update quarterly now, which means you probably haven't been around long enough to have obtained it. They are due for another one shortly I believe, so you should see some green.

However, your site is 2 months old, so you probably have a long wait ahead. I've seen people Sandboxed form 3-15 months by Google. It can be tough to wait, but Google feels all sites made in the last year are spam.

topper99




msg:750029
 12:19 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the info JoeHouse & Bears5122!

MoveyourwebSEO




msg:750030
 5:56 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ok, guys.

I have a site that lives practically 6 months and now I see that for some of competitive keywords the site began to gain positions in google. They are not very good ones - 59, 234, 196 and so on. BUT! they seem to improve each day for 10-20 positions; - the site is climbing! Well, I think this is the "goodbye" to sandbox. Am I right? ;-)

bears5122




msg:750031
 6:18 pm on Oct 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

It certainly seems that way. Hopefully it keeps moving up!

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