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Supplemental Results
Supplemental Results Problem
sunny_kat




msg:745470
 9:27 am on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi

The pages of my website are linked from each page of the website and even my website has sitemap which has links to all the pages

But half of my pages appear normal in google index and half of them are into supplemental results

Why is this happening if they are linked from so many pages from my website

Can anyone help?

 

MHes




msg:745471
 4:33 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Probably duplicate content, from either other websites or within your own site. If pages are not sufficiently different in content, then google will take one example and list the rest as 'supplemental'.

Wizard




msg:745472
 4:51 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Check if there aren't duplicate pages with www. and without it in URL. Check if some pages have the same meta descriptions. Check if some pages have the same content in the beginning of the HTML code. These are most common reasons of undeserved duplicate contents in Google.

jgbmarc




msg:745473
 3:37 am on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi folks.. once a site is in a the Supplemental index will it always remain there? How would Google move you back into their main index?

Thanks.

sunny_kat




msg:745474
 5:43 am on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Guys whats the solution to bring back the supplemental results into normal google index database

sunny_kat




msg:745475
 5:44 am on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Will gettting backlinks towards those pages help in solving the problem?

MHes




msg:745476
 8:00 am on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

>A supplemental result is just like a regular web
result, except that it's pulled from our supplemental index.

I think this is a google 'fog screen'. The reality is that if you are in the supplemental index you are never going to rank as well as a relevant page in the normal index. The reason for this is because (in my opinion) pages in the supplemental are deemed less likely to be useful and thus will only rank well if there is no alternative relevant page in the normal index.

My experience is that a page becomes supplemental because of duplicate content. Google will already have a page in the main index with a large proportion of the same content. I suspect pr has little to do with it. When they indexed the new page, the fact they already had the content will condem the page for ever more, even if you manage to get more pr than the existing main index page. The principle of 'first come first served' seems to apply. However, I have never tested this and maybe you can get a page into the main index to replace the existing one if you get a much higher pr. I would personally not bother to try, but instead add new pages to the site that have sufficiently 'unique' content. Change the template and make it smaller plus add new content for the new pages. As an aside, many 'news' stories, although duplicate content, will rank and appear on many sites for a search. Either Google treats 'news' in a different way or there is a period of time before the page is deemed duplicate and assigned to the supplemental index.

My advice is once you are in the supplemental index, forget trying to get out. Produce new pages that are better because google works on a page basis and not a site basis so new pages on a site can still rank well without being blighted by other pages on your site.

pescatore




msg:745477
 9:00 am on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

"If pages are not sufficiently different in content, then google will take one example and list the rest as 'supplemental'. "
Are you sure? I can tell you some big spamers with K's of pages at the top # 1 all the same content just change file name and keyword.

MHes




msg:745478
 9:29 am on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

pescatore

I know and I admit I'm not sure. However there are some very clever spammers out there who seem to get around it. What we see is not always what the spider sees. Please sticky me the urls, I would love to take a look.

zeus




msg:745479
 9:58 am on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

the supplemental results DB has not been updated for a LONG time, so dont bother with that until they update, before it was every 3 month, but we see supplementalt result pages with cache 2004 now.

stinkfoot




msg:745480
 10:32 am on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

He he .. sounds like google has it own wayback machine. I have seen information that is dated 2002 in the sup index.

Where the smokescreen is conserned, is this a reasonable assumption? What would be the point of telling people rubbish?

johnyfav




msg:745481
 11:17 am on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have my own supp results problem that you guys maybe able to help with.

On my widgets site I set up a test server under the url of -

test.mysite.com

bare in mind that my actually site url is different ie - www.mysite2.com

Now google spidered that cos of a link off a forum or something so I then blocked all ip's expect my own from access it and password portected the directory.

It has been some time since that and google still has the reults as supp, thus causing a dup content filter, I believe.

How would I get rid of them from the supp results?

zeus




msg:745482
 11:22 am on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Dayo - I just made a search sire:www.mydomain.com main keyword - more pages where shown, but all supplemental results even new pages, which could not have been copyed or got a googlbug 302 link to it yet, thats a little wierd.

soundsolution




msg:745483
 3:01 pm on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0)


Hi i think i have a similar problem my site is pr3 but 1 of my pages comes up as supplemental result. It seems to be duplicated and the 1 that is cached is .co.uk/ the 1 that is blocked .co.uk.index.html how would i go about changing this and why would this happen.

SEOPTI




msg:745484
 11:27 pm on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

All my pages are listed twice with the site:
command

Exactly the sampe pages once as regular once as supplemental, strange.

bsnrjones




msg:745485
 4:18 am on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Okay, I seem to have pages that are indexed with the www and without the www - and my entire site is in the supplemental index.

Can anyone tell me specifically how to set-up a redirect to stop this from happening? I would like all of them to be indexed with the www.

I have searched and searched and not found the answer.

jgbmarc




msg:745486
 1:50 pm on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have a PR 6 site 6 years old with thousands of natural and relevant backlinks.. some time ago we syndicated the content to partners by wrapping their templates around a URL that was ours. Obviously a stupid mistake...but it was an innocent mistake. The site has always been a fun hobby and we never even watched SERPs / knew what to do or not to do.

Anyways, the syndication has since been ended so in essence we've 'cleaned up' the site. We still rank OK for certain terms but a lot of our true content is now in the supplemental index.

Tried a reinclusion request just a few days ago.. do i have a hope in the world?

Thanks for the help.

jgbmarc




msg:745487
 1:52 pm on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

bsnrjones,

here's a good thread re: your question [webmasterworld.com...]

however i have read around WW that you should be careful with the re-directs. i can't elaborate as i don't know the details/risks.. i just remember reading to be careful.

zeus




msg:745488
 2:04 pm on Sep 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

#enable rewrite engine
RewriteEngine on

RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST}!^www.yourdomain.com [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST}!^$
RewriteRule ^(.*) [yourdomain.com...] [R=301,L]

in your .htaccsess

but not for all here this will help, because you are filtered fo dublicated content - ex because of scrapers.

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