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rank high with allinanchor:keyword phase
but not that good without it
AthlonInside




msg:726081
 4:52 am on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Usually I notice sites ranking would be almost similar to their allinanchor search results within 0 to 3 places. But my site is around 20 places down compared to my allinanchor:

Anyone has any insigths on this and how could I fix it?

 

AthlonInside




msg:726082
 8:19 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

anyone?

Lalo




msg:726083
 11:11 am on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am also looking for big explaination regarding allinanchor:

One of my site is in top ten for many of good key phrases with allinanchor:key words in my industry but it doesn't rank on first page at present, should I predict that it will be in top ten as it is on first page with allinanchor:key words

Thanks for any help....

trillianjedi




msg:726084
 11:20 am on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

If you're seeing a large swing across the board on natural searches vs allinanchor searches, it could indicate an algo change having an effect on the benefit of anchor text inbounds.

Hilltop possibly?

Given that we're in what looks like a slow roll-out update, it might be an idea to check movement over the course of the next week or so. I certainly wouldn't touch anything just at the moment.

TJ

Lalo




msg:726085
 2:55 pm on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Done some quick check on few more of my sites and all are moving up and up with allinanchor: search

They aren'r in top 100 or 200 at present for these keywords. Did some solid link building work in last four months and all anchor text are coming up on first page but nowhere in plain google search?

Anybody else facing same?

eddytom




msg:726086
 7:01 pm on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have a couple sites experiencing the same thing. One site has never seen the serps light of day since its inception over a year ago (going for a couple very competitive phrases), it has neither seen the light of day for the allinanchor search, but suddenly now it is #16 for allinanchor, but it is still no where to be found in the regular serps. My guess is that my site is about to jump out of the sanbox. Could be the same for you. I would also like to hear peoples thoughts on this.

ClearlyBusiness




msg:726087
 8:51 pm on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have a very similar problem. I have several sites ranking highly in different sectors, but I have one site which is giving me headache.
It had great rankings, has over 10k listed pages and is spidered daily with over 500 pages.
Sitemap submitted, dmoz, yahoo, everything you can imagine.
It is ranking top 3 for all major keywords in that sector for allinanchor, nowhere to be seen except for minor keywords in the SERPS. Funnily enough we get double the traffic from froogle than what we get from google's natural listings..
Would really like to hear opinions and experiences, if people managed to get it out of here. I am making very small adjustments, but the site is made for the user, not at all overoptimised or anything like this, almost the perfect site (msn, yahoo agree, no1 for most major keywords) HELP!

eddytom




msg:726088
 11:51 pm on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is being listed in the allinanchor a sign of a future jump out of the sandbox?

alphacooler




msg:726089
 1:22 am on Sep 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

This sounds like a Sandbox thread to me. Are most of you people experiencing such results with new sites? List your site ages. Also discuss the rate at which you obtained links.

eddytom




msg:726090
 2:03 am on Sep 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I actually have a couple newer sites (one started a month ago, one started 6 months ago) and neither of them are showing up with the allinanchor tag and both are expected to do very well once out of the box. I only have my one big one that started a year ago that is showing up high in the serps with the allinanchor tag.

ClearlyBusiness




msg:726091
 2:13 am on Sep 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

the site mentioned above is now 12 months old, but it had good rankings for over 6 months, being burnt by bourbon.

Lalo




msg:726092
 10:35 am on Sep 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

the site I am talking about it online since last one and half year and link building work is done very slowly month by month, never been in sandbox or alike

Lalo




msg:726093
 11:44 am on Sep 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

in addition it is continuesly spider by googlebot with fresh content

fiu88




msg:726094
 2:32 pm on Sep 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

allinanchor we're page 2....search kw...not in first 15 pages

..?
I've noticed the latest shuffle has dropped us off the face of natural search...

AthlonInside




msg:726095
 5:55 pm on Sep 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

When you guys have sites that RANK well with allinanchor: but not in natural search.

How old is these sites?

Have this sites rank well before and drop and it has never ranked well?

eddytom




msg:726096
 10:32 pm on Sep 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

These sites that rank well with allinanchor never ranked before at all in the serps even tho they have good PR, now they rank very well with allinanchor but still not in regular serps.

eddytom




msg:726097
 10:50 pm on Sep 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Why does everyone on this site spend so much time focusing on the stupid subject of a non-update, and not spend any time on the questions that will help webmasters understand seo better?

Lalo




msg:726098
 3:57 am on Sep 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Any experienced SEO can lighten it? is there any official google representative around? Should we ignore high rankings with allinanchor: or need to deploy some strategy for it?

walkman




msg:726099
 4:51 am on Sep 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> Usually I notice sites ranking would be almost similar to their allinanchor search results within 0 to 3 places. But my site is around 20 places down compared to my allinanchor:

too many links, too fast in Google's eyes /the anchor text is not varied enough. Not sure how G distinguishes between legit ones (redcross.org for example after Katrina or a commercial site who bought or got plenty of links) but I think this is your problem. I can see GoogleGuy reading this and agreeing with me :).

ClearlyBusiness




msg:726100
 1:34 pm on Sep 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

too many links, too fast in Google's eyes /the anchor text is not varied enough. Not sure how G distinguishes between legit ones (redcross.org for example after Katrina or a commercial site who bought or got plenty of links) but I think this is your problem. I can see GoogleGuy reading this and agreeing with me :).

I believe that's what everybody knows and I wouldn't post here, if this would be the case. As I said, the site had good rankings for over 6 months, no new links have been gathered except natural links, we can see links from various boards and many other websites link to us as we provide the best information in the business. The site has a PR5, which is not exaggerately high either, over 10k indexed pages and comes up for minor terms, receives about 100 referrals from google, as to over 1000 before.

AthlonInside




msg:726101
 3:24 pm on Sep 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

too many links, too fast in Google's eyes /the anchor text is not varied enough. Not sure how G distinguishes between legit ones (redcross.org for example after Katrina or a commercial site who bought or got plenty of links) but I think this is your problem. I can see GoogleGuy reading this and agreeing with me :).

I believe either 2 things will happen later. Either the links will be counted and the site has a ranking boost suddenly when it is released. Or they blacklist the site and it will never recover no matter what the webmaster do even if the links build up slow down.

jgbmarc




msg:726102
 3:58 pm on Sep 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> no new links have been gathered except natural links

ClearlyBusiness..

Don't be so sure. We paid to submit one of our sites for inclusions in the Yahoo! directory. With their syndication our backlink count jumped 10k in two weeks! ..from directory scraper lame o sites! soon after, we dropped from Google rankings and have yet to recover.

ClearlyBusiness




msg:726103
 11:43 am on Sep 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Don't be so sure. We paid to submit one of our sites for inclusions in the Yahoo! directory. With their syndication our backlink count jumped 10k in two weeks! ..from directory scraper lame o sites! soon after, we dropped from Google rankings and have yet to recover.

have other people made the same experience, I have many websites in the yahoo directory and didn't experience any problems, this particular one has a listing as well, but only after it was being pushed down (maybe a mistake)

back to the topic, high all in anchor rankings, previous high rankings for several months, no buying of links or similar things to get a high amount of them, clean cut W3C standard site. Any ideas?

ClearlyBusiness




msg:726104
 1:49 pm on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

bump

JuniorOptimizer




msg:726105
 4:56 pm on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

IMHO, you have some sort of over optimization penalty, for lack of a better word.

Get some more links from diverse sources which used diverse anchor text. I have this happening on a website that used to rank and was dropped. There is now a spread of 50 places between the first page allinachor rankings and the actual SERPS. This situation is improving as I have diluted the anchor text with new links.

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