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:-( : Update...false alarm Sept 2005
What *is* an Update?

 8:06 am on Sep 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Continued from:

It seem the backlink update has begun, not surprising after the heavy spidering lately, good luck everyone!



 4:03 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

For my most competitive keywords the SERPS have changed. Backlinks have changed for a couple of sites that I checked. I also received a google alert for backlink change. Add that with the directory update (which I myself have not checked) and it must be an update.

Gilligan is an excellent choice too.

added dc=

[edited by: Rugles at 4:13 pm (utc) on Sep. 7, 2005]


 4:04 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)


>>>>And, is there a change in the situation with the www/non-www and the 302 disasters?

ROFLMAO - Oddsodd - we both know that is not going to happen. (Come on Google prove me wrong :)) <<<<<

It "MIGHT" happen sometime between now and December 2006 ;-)


 4:07 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Rugles you have to remember that can happen mid way through the month when there is no update at all, things do change every now and again.

Ill keep checking but im seeing nothing worthy of note.


 4:16 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Oh, ya. I am now number one for a keyword that I have not been number one for in the last 2 years. So something is different.


 4:19 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I saw SERP changes from


 4:26 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> added dc=
>> I saw SERP changes from

Sorry, can't see any changes on those DCs for any of my keywords in a range of industries. Perhaps it's just the same old localised flux we saw all of last month. I'm still not convinced it's an update (though I'd like to see one).


 4:36 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

oddsod, I agree with you. Still not convinced.


 4:36 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

My back links have gone from 112 to 405 in this "update".

Serps remain the same.

Pr remains the same.


 4:50 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'll peep up and say that I am seeing major changes - to me it looks like a roll back to a previous time.

Major changes to positioning of multiple sites that had taken a dip that I was ignoring but out of the corner of my eye did make some small changes to.

I don't think it is settling anytime soon. My observation is that fresh is good, but that google doesn't always keep up with it... reverts to old stuff.


 4:59 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>to me it looks like a roll back to a previous time

I'd agree with that, 18 months ago.


 5:04 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Seeing no changes in serps to my 15+ sites or those around me on any of the DCs mentioned.
If an update, presumably a minor one.
Most of these updates, in my experience, only tend to affect those who operate near the edge of seo.

A relatively minor change can appear to have dramatic effects for some and in some areas.
Consider, hypothetically, Google filters out any pages/sites with a keyword density of, say, 5.1%. If they simply dropped it to 4.9% then in some areas serps could be tipped upside down and sites could disappear.

Whilst dramatic for some personally, that would still only be a minor tweak and hardly an important update


 5:06 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Backlinks have updated and so has the directory, of that I am sure. I've checked some of the pages I added right after the last PR update, these are not showing PR yet - they would after an PR update.

From a SERPs standpoint, I've lost some ground. I would expect to do better after a update to SERPs.

My guess is this:

Based on the FACT that this update was given a name, that something is ABOUT to happen. (Unless of course, Brett is losing control - which I doubt.) Also since we have not seen GG asking us for feedback on the new SERPs, I suspect the best / worst is yet to come.

Isn't the logical order IBL -> SERPs -> PR?


 5:13 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

phantombookman you might be right, but by everything I know this is a major :)
It will not settle for a time and we can expect to hear some sort of sensible conclusions in about 2-3 weeks... hold on to you hats ladies & gentlemen.
{excell puts google on ignore for the duration}


 5:16 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

hold on to you hats ladies & gentlemen.

My hats white so I expect to be OK, there could be a few black hats blowing down the street again though :)


 5:18 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm interested in seeing what they are after.. as a white hat here... I will be watching! go google - you can do it.

I just wanted to clarify my seemingly inconsistent statements - ignore them/watch them

I do both simultaniously! - how about you?

[edited by: excell at 5:22 pm (utc) on Sep. 7, 2005]


 5:21 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Remember... White hat or black hat - it does not matter. You can think you are the cleanest site in the world and still see something will happen to your site. Sometimes the black hats win and white hats lose.


 5:23 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Backlinks have updated. No change to PR, unfortunately and no change to SERPS, at least in my sector.



 5:27 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sometimes the black hats win and white hats lose.
Yes, and whatever hat you wear if you know you do it well, just keep doing it and forget about them until there is something to interpret that requires change. Most likely it is over more than one cycle that you would be looking. Most likely experience of years on the search engines is a huge advantage.

 5:31 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Those "72" datacentres have OLD data in them. Google fixed the www vs. non-www listings for a site back in May (by using a 301 redirect) in most datacentres.

The "72" datacentres have all the old unfixed listings back in them, and the cache is from before last Christmas.


 5:34 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

there's too much talk about backlinks being updated. i thought we all realized that google backlinks are not even accurate anyways. when i see SERP changes then I will pay more attention.. have yet to see any.


 5:34 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Very old - very odd, what can anyone expect except something totally different from what we see now.


 5:44 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have noticed that most of my sites, that have lost ground, have fewer inbound links, and little PR.
My sites with at least a few hundred inbound links are mostly unchanged.
Also noticed that many of the top spots are now being filled by directories. Pushing the Non Directories down the list.

Some of the top spots for a few of my sectors are filled with spam, crap, one is a blog with nothing but hundreds of KW.
Anyone else notice this?


 5:48 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I guess we had an update. Does Brett check with GoogleGuy just to make sure it really happened?

I'm seeing heavy Googlebot activity, which is always the case before and after an update.


 5:55 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have yet to see any difference in the serps for my page, but i have also noticed that directories, at least for one of the keywords i am going for, now contains 8 of the top 20 positions in the serps. As a matter of fact, on the 5th page, a directory that i am listed in comes up and shows the description of my page as the blurb underneath the link!


 6:06 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

No SERP changes for me... This seems to be a false start or maybe someone knows something is pending.

If it was a PR/BL update... I do not think is deserves to be named.


 6:08 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yeah, I'm not seeing any changes in the cat's I monitor either. Seems like a BL update to be followed by a SERP update.


 6:09 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

There may be something to the KW density thing.
I notice my customers sites are showing up before mine, when searching for SEO My city.

They are on top for SEO my city, because I have a text Link on the bottom of their page saying SEO by my.com

Its like lets pick the least relevent site, that contains any of those KW's.


 6:14 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

<detective hat on>

1. Brett does have contacts at the plex
2. He is likely to know if an update is scheduled
3. It doesn't seem there is an update happening yet
4. If this wasn't an update he wouldn't have put it on the home page and surely wouldn't have named it
5. Since he has named it there is probably an update on the way and we just haven't seen major evidence of it yet.

<detective hat off>


1. any news on how long this update will drag out for
2. how many posts this update thread will reach and
3. how many "OMG, Google is penalising white hat webmasters" and "Google rocks" posts this thread will get? :)


 6:14 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've just done some searches for the main keyword in my industry + different regions and it's the most spammy results I've ever seen - awful. Lets face it if you type in for instance 'plumbers london' you would expect sites with at least a list of plumbers in London. Is that reasonable?

Makes me think this is just an early stage, very much pre-spam filters.


 6:39 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

AP just announced that Bob Denver, tv's Gilligan passed away from a long time battle with cancer.

Aside from the creepiness of the timing, so long, little buddy...


 6:42 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Brett knows what is going on. Lets not beat around the bush. Who on god's earth creates a site like this and does not know when there is an update. Nice work Brett :)

If your site is worth visiting you will be fine, no matter how heavy the storm is ;)

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