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:-( : Update...false alarm Sept 2005
What *is* an Update?
straticus




msg:771047
 8:06 am on Sep 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It seem the backlink update has begun, not surprising after the heavy spidering lately, good luck everyone!

 

steveb




msg:771137
 5:57 am on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes the Directory has updated.

BillyS




msg:771138
 11:01 am on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I also see a directory update. The category I'm in lost two sites on DMoz about a month ago. Google now has the same count as DMoz (it had been 2 sites higher). I've also moved up a couple of spots.

RichTC




msg:771139
 11:13 am on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is moving up in the directory confirmation that google rates the site as more of an authority or is it just a case that the true PR is calculated based on the value of all of the incomming PR divided by the number of pages in the site?

Im interested why some sites have moved down and others up in similar PR brackets

BillyS




msg:771140
 12:05 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is moving up in the directory confirmation that google rates the site as more of an authority or is it just a case that the true PR is calculated based on the value of all of the incomming PR divided by the number of pages in the site?

Even though the directory green bar may be the same size, the directory order is supposed to be based on PR. So if I moved up two spots but our green bar is the same length, I can conclude that:

Either their PR went down just a bit; or
My PR went up just a bit; or
A combination of the above happened.

This rule does not seem to hold true everywhere, but it does work in my category.

ScottD




msg:771141
 1:19 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is moving up in the directory confirmation that google rates the site as more of an authority or is it just a case that the true PR is calculated based on the value of all of the incomming PR divided by the number of pages in the site?

I'm not sure what you mean by suggesting that the incoming PR is divided by the number of pages in the site. Almost certainly having more pages in your site is good. The PR value of an incoming link may be affected by the PR of the page linking to you, and diluted by the number of other links on that page - that is perhaps a more accurate account, but perhaps thats what you meant.

Moving up the page depends on your PR, as well as other factors, in particular the perceived relevance of your site to the search phrase. As you say being an authority on the subject is therefore key, but also having the page well made, relevant key words, back links from relevant sites, links out to relevant sites etc

Back on the subject of Back Links - I have more BLs on some Data Centers, but on most remain unchanged. I've seen no major SERPs changes yet

RichTC




msg:771142
 2:18 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hmmm interesting

I noticed a few sites overtake one of the sites we work on in the directory.

The site in question has increased its number of pages and the number of links to it but some are results pages which are Dynamic and dont carry page rank at all.

The sites that have overtaken it carry less pages and less links but have used a mod rewrite on the dynamic pages to gain page rank.

Im thinking that if you link to pages on your own site that are dynamic with no page rank in effect the links from those pages are giving zero page rank to the linked pages.. if you follow?

If this chain of thought is right then a site with loads of pages can suffer if the PR is not passed around the site correctly or is passed to pages that cant pass any page rank on.

hermosa




msg:771143
 2:30 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)
Well I am confused. A site I help out with for a friend had over 200 backlinks. Now only 18 backlinks are showing. If you click on the link to list sites that contain http://www.hisdomain.com, they list 265 sites. Can someone tell me what's up. Thanks.
Dayo_UK




msg:771144
 2:57 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Gilligan - it has a name.

Brett - you said GG wanted to name it. Why Gilligan GG :)?

kamikaze Optimizer




msg:771145
 3:00 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Gilligan - it has a name.
Brett - you said GG wanted to name it. Why Gilligan GG :)?

Are we Lost-At-Sea?

bobothecat




msg:771146
 3:03 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Why Gilligan GG?

Bob Denver of 'Gilligan' fame dies at 70 ...

theobeest




msg:771147
 3:04 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

There's a typing error in the topic name:
'Google Upate Sept 2005'

oddsod




msg:771148
 3:23 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm confused as to what this is. Brett said a few days ago that there wasn't an update - it was just normal flux. Now, some state they've seen PR changes (I've seen none - even for new pages posted and linked to a month ago). Others say that they've seen backlinks changes (not that Google backlinks are worth anything). And, yes, the Google directory looks different.

Is there a change in SERPS? ....except for the one or two specific travel type sectors we've had a few threads about. But...

And, is there a change in the situation with the www/non-www and the 302 disasters? Or is that not even worth asking anymore? :(

lufc1955




msg:771149
 3:29 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I can only see a backlinks update and no other changes on any data centres. I thought it was only algo updates that are given names. Is something else about to start?

webdude




msg:771150
 3:31 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

oddsod,

I have ssen no changes in the SERPs. I have seen changes in PR and BLs.

europeforvisitors




msg:771151
 3:34 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

And, is there a change in the situation with the www/non-www and the 302 disasters? Or is that not even worth asking anymore? :(

One thing I've noticed is that the site: command is showing 38,400 pages for my site, compared to 13,600 the last time I checked in late July. (The actual number of pages on the site is between 4,500 and 5,000.)

The site: command also shows 1,460 www versions of my pages (roughly the same as the up-and-down numbers in July) even though I resolved the www-vs-non-www issue with .htaccess more than five months ago. (OTOH, links: numbers are still the same for the www and non-www versions, as they've been for a number of months.)

Also, a small number of pages that have been MIA for months are still missing from the index.

So far, the update--if it is an update--hasn't changed much (as far as I can see, anyway) except the numbers that I get with the site: command.

Dayo_UK




msg:771152
 3:34 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>>And, is there a change in the situation with the www/non-www and the 302 disasters?

ROFLMAO - Oddsodd - we both know that is not going to happen. (Come on Google prove me wrong :))

Andy_r




msg:771153
 3:36 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have seen back link updates & PR updates. I have also seen total pages indexed updated too. The interesting thing that I see are pages that must have been spidered around late July/early August now being indexed. I recently acquired a new site and changed the directory structure ASAP as I saw Google was doing a deep crawl around that time and it looks like they got the old structure for that site. Off to make a .php redirect so the page will send people to the right place without getting a 404. Of course I will have to put a no crawl for that page now in the robots.txt.

I think this update has been going on for a while just more quitely then in the past. They are adjusting lots of little settings before the finally reprocess the index with the newly adjusted algorithms.

I seem to notice a slow down in Freshbot result (content that jumps to the top during the everflux) prior to major updates. I usually get tons of traffic from random topics being discussed at my sites that are not from major index updates. This 'fresh' information seems to slow down quite a bit prior to, during and just after major updates.

CygnusX1




msg:771154
 3:42 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

We're having great results. I'm sorry not everyone is.

oddsod




msg:771155
 3:42 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Right, so either we've started naming PR/backlink updates... or the entry on WW homepage is incorrect - there is no algo update going on right now. Brett?

wanderingmind




msg:771156
 3:45 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

PR same, but that was expected for my site.

More backlinks, but still a snapshot.

site:command now gives 8 times the actual number, while it was close to double earlier.

No change in SERPs as far as I can see, and no change in visitors either compared to the last 2 weeks. (waiting for the post-Labory day crowd - if they exist!)

zeus




msg:771157
 3:47 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I know we are in the beginnig and its evnen just a link update for now, BUT still a lot of supplemental results with cache 2004.

Rugles




msg:771158
 3:47 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>We're having great results. I'm sorry not everyone is.

Don't be, they may be the people you pulled ahead of. In every update, there is an equal number of winners and losers.

You and I are winners this time.

Angelis




msg:771159
 3:49 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I havnt seen a single change as of yet that isnt out of the ordinary, no backlink changes since last week on the 5 sites I checked, no PR change...

Maybe everyone is just getting over excited as usual but I dont see anything that suggests an update as of yet.

Rugles




msg:771160
 3:52 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Its real Angelis.

Angelis




msg:771161
 3:53 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well I cant see 1 shread of evidence from what I just checked that say it is.

All backlinks through the dance tool, google itself for .co.uk as well as the US ip's are the same.

Probably Google just updating something small but it doesnt look like a large scale change in any respect as far as I can tell.

texasville




msg:771162
 3:56 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I agree. In my sectors...small change on backlinks...almost imperceptible on serps...no real changes...

texasville




msg:771163
 3:57 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

...although rustybrick gives me a big ol' jump in pr prediction...lol...hope that works out..lol

bobothecat




msg:771164
 3:57 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Probably Google just updating something small but it doesnt look like a large scale change in any respect as far as I can tell.

Agree... I can't find 1 change in serps, other than the usual daily flux. If this really is an update, it's the most lame I've ever seen.

Angelis




msg:771165
 3:57 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

The directory may have updated as someone mentioned but I dont think much else has happened.

Thats my 2cents for the day anyway, im going home.

oddsod




msg:771166
 3:57 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Rugles, what's real? A SERPS/algo update? In what sector and on what DC?

Rugles




msg:771167
 4:03 pm on Sep 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

For my most competitive keywords the SERPS have changed. Backlinks have changed for a couple of sites that I checked. I also received a google alert for backlink change. Add that with the directory update (which I myself have not checked) and it must be an update.

Gilligan is an excellent choice too.

added dc= 64.233.161.104

[edited by: Rugles at 4:13 pm (utc) on Sep. 7, 2005]

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