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3 stage SERP
Delete if this has already been spotted but..
hitchhiker




msg:726921
 1:15 pm on Aug 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

Seems to show 3 seperate result sections on one page, am i late here?

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nativenewyorker




msg:726922
 9:20 pm on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Anyone else notice G's new layout? With settings set to 100 results per page, one of my searches for widgets came up as:

  • sponsored links
  • 6 search results
  • horizontal bar
  • See results for: blue widget
  • 3 search results
  • Also see widget
  • horizontal bar
  • 91 search results

What are the thoughts regarding implications of these changes and what new strategies should be pursued for Google rankings?

Lord Majestic




msg:726923
 1:13 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Looks like the splits are based on "relevance" to each other in terms of topic. This could make it easier to check those matches that are most relevant to the searcher in cases when keywords relate to very different topics. Searcher can further drill down to get more matches for topic he/she wants.

If makes feel results a bit strange (something I don't like), but I like it more than I don't.

sandpetra




msg:726924
 1:19 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've noticed this for some time now - I thought it was only on one keyword searches where they are obviously trying to make one word keywords more relevent - hedging their bets.

jgbmarc




msg:726925
 1:30 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I noticed this about a week ago. It was very isolated result, and when I went back the next day and performed the same search it was gone.

Could this be why we've had all the heavy crawling of late?

kartiksh




msg:726926
 1:39 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

just noticed this. Cool!

caspita




msg:726927
 1:39 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

That is why we will see also in the future many posts blaming GG beacuse lack of traffic! :-) ... now is not enought to be TOP-10 only, you need to be TOP-5! to be there for the user to click your link ;-)

CS.

walkman




msg:726928
 1:41 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

actually this is good. No way for google to know if you're searching for a magazine (as in paper) or magazine for your Ak47 ;)

DaveN




msg:726929
 1:44 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I noticed this while at SES San Jose, and blogged briefly about it on my return..

#1 you can get Google to pull this feature with many keyword combo's
#2 the middle bit is just the top 3 results from the suggested keyword combo.

example keyword "Tokenizer" pulls the See results for: tokenizer java

My guess is that Google have looked at the first Keyword and The Final Keyword searched for in a session..

so I search for Tokenizer but don't find what I was looking for and search for Tokenizer Java, if enough people do this it could influence the serps I guess.

DaveN

skipfactor




msg:726930
 2:04 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Speaking of blogs: Matt Cutts also talked about this on his blog on 19 August.

jimbeetle




msg:726931
 2:04 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Old news, first reported back in the beginning of August on SEW, discussed on Matt Cutts blog sometime in mid-August, and last discussed in this WebmasterWorld thread [webmasterworld.com] a few short days ago.

Jack_Hughes




msg:726932
 2:05 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

seems logical that people relying on more generic terms may get burned because google will filter people into more specific searches.

Rogi




msg:726933
 2:24 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Seems like GG is categorizing it's results like Mooter (except GG shows results instead of clusters of results)

mack




msg:726934
 2:46 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Looks interesting, but wouldent this be more use at the top of the page as a "related searches" option?

Mack.

OrlandoTodd




msg:726935
 3:51 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Also just found it under "animal shelter".

bears5122




msg:726936
 4:47 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I was iffy on it at first, but starting to like it now. Was running a search for the new House DVD (it's a TV show). The first few were incredible unrelated till it suggested I use House MD DVD which proved perfect.

ReallyFrustrated




msg:726937
 4:50 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Cool! ;)

Leffe




msg:726938
 5:13 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)
[Never mind that :p]
decaff




msg:726939
 5:15 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

This is certainly NOT going to affect all keywords ... just keywords that have multiple meanings...

If a single keyword is used just once to describe its target...then the regular UI will prevail...

here's some more:
"waterfront"
"garage"
"spring"

Now try:
"swimming" (images results pulled in at the top)

undoubtedly...many more..
Cool UI stuff coming out of Google ..

McMohan




msg:726940
 6:07 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Looks interesting, but wouldent this be more use at the top of the page as a "related searches" option?

I agree.

Lord Majestic




msg:726941
 6:16 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

but wouldent this be more use at the top of the page as a "related searches" option?

Google wants to predict most likely results that you would click -- split screen for SERPs that belong to very different groups is an (I guess here) effective way to give overview of different results and let people decide where they want to drill in to.

incrediBILL




msg:726942
 6:32 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I wonder if the makers of SERP rank checker programs know about this yet?

Looks like something that could make their life a living hell.

graywolf




msg:726943
 7:33 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

[css hacks] give wonky suggestion

Craven de Kere




msg:726944
 8:38 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've been seeing this for a while now using the Able2Know toolbar that displays 100 google results per page.

migumbo




msg:726945
 10:26 pm on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

search for 'burning man' on G - has Google... since when did Google include links to 'first timers guides' and the like? It's the first time I've noticed it.

GrendelKhan TSU




msg:726946
 1:50 am on Sep 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Does anyone realize they should still be looking to Korea for a crystal ball on this stuff?
Alternate SERPS and Beyond [webmasterworld.com]

Its called "հ˻""COMBINED SEARCH" (translated from Korean). and its the DEFAULT setting for all portals here. Its VERY conceivable that G is actually using the Korean market for a "test bed" and/or inspiration for some of these moves...as Korea is analogous to a HUGE local market with savvy and heavily wired netizens and its very inaccessible from outside korea (language barrier and other barriers [webmasterworld.com].

Funny. been in the Korean market for so long I forget what is "new" and not new stateside...I've been seen this for a while but didn't think anything of it. I'll look but I thought I saw even more than 3 stages.

Anyways as I implied, they do this on ALL portals here in Korea. MUCH more extensively. Remember Google is a SMALL and little though of search engine here. A VERY VERY VERY distant...7th? or so in terms of usage

I never really understood why portals and google DIDN'T do this stateside as its so easy and well...once you get used to the long page. Its VERY convenient.

check what it looks like from Naver (number one search engine in korea) for a (in korean):

yes, it looks very BUSY and confusing AT FIRST. But I have really come to appreciate it. I doubt Google will ever get THAT crazy with it (at least anytime soon), but mark my words....yahoo could do in a sec (they do it here) and I wouldn't be surprised if eventually other companies started adopting it.

[edited by: GrendelKhan_TSU at 1:59 am (utc) on Sep. 2, 2005]

[edited by: vitaplease at 9:02 am (utc) on Sep. 2, 2005]
[edit reason] no too specific search query links please [/edit]

GrendelKhan TSU




msg:726947
 1:55 am on Sep 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

oh and btw...
Combined Search is HELL for SEO here in korea.

1, each section is limited to a few spots, so you HAVE to make top 5 or else you are in trouble.
2. AND since web page search is NOT the most popular search type in korea, SEO results are limited AND dropped well below the fold.

in the example I gave in last post...web search is the 10th (!) section down.

Naver had a time with NO (NONE!) organic results on the first page of its results. And remember Naver is number one in search by a HUGE margin here.

imagine what that would mean to the people around here, for example.

+_+

balam




msg:726948
 3:49 am on Sep 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

> here is what it looks like from Naver

Wow! Now, that is a search results page!

I recognized sections for books, blogs, music, graphics, "organic web," news, sponsored, and I think "Question Guide" (to use a GrendelKhan TSU term from a thread he referenced above).

If I could read Korean, I think I'd switch in an instant.

GrendelKhan TSU, can I customize the UI? Could I, say, remove the news section if I'm not interested, or move it to the top if I'm really interested?

<added>

> imagine what that would mean to the people around here, for example.

I wouldn't be surprised if you've already sown some seeds of fear!

</added>

synergy




msg:726949
 4:17 am on Sep 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've seen this in a few serps for several weeks now. I can't say I like it... it kinda clutters up normal serps.

GrendelKhan TSU




msg:726950
 5:37 am on Sep 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

> here is what it looks like from Naver
Wow! Now, that is a search results page!

If I could read Korean, I think I'd switch in an instant.

yah. and that's ONE of the many reasons google did not take off as is in Korea as it did elsewhere else.

GrendelKhan TSU, can I customize the UI? Could I, say, remove the news section if I'm not interested, or move it to the top if I'm really interested?

not at naver or the major portals.

(I have seen a couple small unknown search sited do this...but can't for the life of me remember what they were called -- if they are still even around).

This is for pure business reasons. Most sections you can pay to get listed on and has prices relevant to their positions. If netizens to move it on the fly (or collapse the sections)...that's bad news for advertisers. Also, Overture pays BIG bucks in guarantees to make sure their listings are at the top.


I wouldn't be surprised if you've already sown some seeds of fear!

I hate to say it, but, imo, the day will come. sooner or later.

perhaps if people started learning how SEO type activities ARE done in Korea now ...they might be more ready for it. ;)

[edited by: vitaplease at 8:59 am (utc) on Sep. 2, 2005]

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