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How Long to Get Into Google
Losing Patience
zmroberts




msg:716309
 2:21 pm on Aug 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

My site has been up for about 1 month and has some useful content. I have some backlinks and have submitted my site to various search engines and dmoz. I am only coming up in google when I type www.mydomain.com into the search. Other than that... I can't find myself when I search on anything phrases or keywords or anything in my page. Google also doesn't show that any pages are linking to me which is not true. How long does it usually take to get all this going?

 

Dayo_UK




msg:716310
 2:27 pm on Aug 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Losing patience after a month?

Imagine how some of use feel after 6,7 months or longer.

Concentrate on making a good site and just wait. (Of course backlinks etc help - well sometimes :))

trillianjedi




msg:716311
 3:54 pm on Aug 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think if you take a 12 month view you can't fail to be dissappointed.

Use that time to build content and get inbound links.

TJ

Gargen




msg:716312
 6:00 pm on Aug 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

hmmm my site and every site ive ever helped get off the ground was in less than a day from when it was published, the first thing you wanna do is go on ebay and for 25 dollars buy a site wide link on a page with 10k pages, this is what i do and it has worked every and on all search engines

rfgdxm1




msg:716313
 1:25 am on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

>My site has been up for about 1 month and has some useful content. I have some backlinks and have submitted my site to various search engines and dmoz. I am only coming up in google when I type www.mydomain.com into the search. Other than that... I can't find myself when I search on anything phrases or keywords or anything in my page. Google also doesn't show that any pages are linking to me which is not true. How long does it usually take to get all this going?

Be patient. I can't put up a new page on my sites without Google indexing it in a couple days.

WebFusion




msg:716314
 2:14 am on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Losing patience after a WHOLE month? Talk to some of these guys who've worked on sites for years and had them (temporarily) dissappear ;-)

MarkHutch




msg:716315
 2:26 am on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

You will get listed eventually. It does take longer than it use to with Google. However, there are now over 8 billion pages in their system. I remember when they cracked the 1 billion mark and that wasn't that many years ago. Most crawlers can only fetch around 10 million pages per day. I'm sure the major players are doing much better than that, but even if they can fetch 100 million pages per day, many of those request are going to be looking for pages and rss files that have changed, not looking for new unlisted pages. I'll bet half their capacity is devoted to refreshing present content and the other half to looking for new pages. This is all just a guess, but math is math and there is only so much they can do in a one month period of time.

zmroberts




msg:716316
 2:33 am on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Gargen... are you serious? Seems a little strange... Anybody else heard of this... or is this just another way for me to become seperated from my money... also.. I am currently doing PPC on adwords... I wonder if that helps get you into the SE's faster..?

prairie




msg:716317
 6:15 am on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

You could try using Google Sitemaps:

https://www.google.com/webmasters/sitemaps/

grandpa




msg:716318
 7:38 am on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have a site about a month old. Googlebot visits daily, but my referrals are all from MSN. Gooooooooo figure.

Crush




msg:716319
 9:48 am on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Been waiting 10 months for one site. Came out for 2 days and we made a load then back in the box.

fraggle




msg:716320
 10:40 am on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

we added fresh site to google site maps (txt fileand dynamic) and they are getting bot traffic every day (possibly checking updates) but no crawl past one two pages so far.

seems 6 weeks in or so from bot traffic you get some more joy but its not concrete by any means

zmroberts




msg:716321
 12:59 pm on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

hmmm... I just checked my url in google and it is getting worse. It used to be that I could match some keywords in the text on my home page. Today, nothing is indexed... it just shows the url for my home page with no description or text. What does that mean? Also, what is the sandbox? Is that were I am.

Jackblack




msg:716322
 2:49 pm on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yeah I jsut submited my site map. What benifits will this have do you think?

zmroberts




msg:716323
 3:45 pm on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

I just submitted my sitemap too... seems promising... it actually tells you when it has done something and whether it was succesful... thats a little better than just waiting around I guess...

linkjack




msg:716324
 12:29 am on Aug 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Buy tons of adwords <snip>.

Adwords is the google business now, search is their means to and end($$$).

<snip> I am ranking ok for my keywords.

[edited by: lawman at 6:58 am (utc) on Aug. 30, 2005]
[edit reason] No Call To Action Per TOS [/edit]

bymer




msg:716325
 1:21 am on Aug 30, 2005 (gmt 0)


Buy tons of adwords <snip>

linkjack, that's great advice you are giving out everywhere around here - i can prove that paying for adwords does not guarantee placement in the index. Can you prove otherwise?

[edited by: lawman at 6:59 am (utc) on Aug. 30, 2005]

bymer




msg:716326
 1:22 am on Aug 30, 2005 (gmt 0)


the first thing you wanna do is go on ebay and for 25 dollars buy a site wide link on a page with 10k pages, this is what i do and it has worked every and on all search engines

any more details/specifics on this? "buy a tie wide link on a page with 10k pages"?

linkjack




msg:716327
 2:05 am on Aug 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

"i can prove that paying for adwords does not guarantee placement in the index."

no you can't

"Can you prove otherwise? "

if i could, i wouldn't dare say it. you should take me seriously though. just a thought.

bymer




msg:716328
 3:15 am on Aug 30, 2005 (gmt 0)


"i can prove that paying for adwords does not guarantee placement in the index."
no you can't

sorry bud, but i'm the walking example of paying for Adwords yet getting thrown out of Google Search Index recently. (Adwords are still running, if you care to know)

<snip>

[edited by: lawman at 7:23 am (utc) on Aug. 30, 2005]
[edit reason] Let's Not Get Personal (See TOS) [/edit]

prairie




msg:716329
 4:49 am on Aug 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yeah I jsut submited my site map. What benifits will this have do you think?

It will help them see what you're doing, for better or worse, and find any un-linked pages, but you have to keep in mind that the program is still in Beta. Rate and depth of crawl and indexing are still most likely going to be down to the number and type of incoming links.

zmroberts




msg:716330
 1:48 am on Aug 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am currently doing PPC with adwords but it hasn't seemed to help get me into the search engine... maybe I need to wait for that too.

guru5571




msg:716331
 7:32 pm on Aug 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

Gargen, I've seen you give out this advice before.

hmmm my site and every site ive ever helped get off the ground was in less than a day from when it was published, the first thing you wanna do is go on ebay and for 25 dollars buy a site wide link on a page with 10k pages, this is what i do and it has worked every and on all search engines

I'm really intrigued by the idea, but skeptical.
What makes you so sure it works? Can you elaborate on it a little more. Also can you sticky me with an example of an ebay site that has worked for you. Thanks.

flannery




msg:716332
 3:53 am on Sep 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've seen more than 2 million pages on my site crawled by google in the last couple of years - last month alone 900,000 were crawled; but even when large quantities got listed, most ended up as Supplemental Results - I'm beginning to think that it may be because the links leading in to all those links are scattered across so many millions of my pages that when Google lists a lot of my links it frequently doesn't have the referring links in the same crawl. It's complex and weird maths at work. These are of course just rough ideas gathered, as usual, from scouring this place and others.

So what I've decided to do is sign up to Sitemaps - first thing tomorrow I'll write and run a perl script for creating all the maps I need and then just switch it over.

Hope this is the answer we all seek.

The real *** with Google comes when you've had stuff listed, money's been made and THEN suddenly you get slowed down for 2 years by some damn Supplemental Result issue.

What I figure is that if it's the inbound link problem which is making my millions of pages supplemental, then having them in a sitemap will surely eliminate that. I don't see Amazon's 41 million pages showing as Supplemental!

And I'm 100% confident that my site's millions of pages are not spam, not 'scraper' material, not anything else reprehensible - just good old honest internet pages which are, after all, the lifeblood of things like google - without webmasters taking imagination and machines and combining them together, google would be a fantastic algorithm for searching zero of potentially billions of pages and sites!

I don't think that Google would keep crawling my site, and indeed have crawled close to a million pages last month if they had anything against my site - they've had 2 years of mass crawling to decide that - and if a site is bad, then surely they wouldn't carry on crawling and listing.

But you know what, this post is neither a question nor an answer - it's the only valid thing any of us can truly express here - it's a lament. The Google Blues. That's what it is.

Dammit all. Tell you what. If sitemaps DOES get my pages back
to the high-profit levels they once knew, I promise to NOT
come back here and report it - on the grounds that
if it is the case, then that's what anyone else who's found
it out has done - and it's sensible really - mass adoption
of some new tool tends to rapidly saturate the tool's
environment and take away its beneficial properties from
many people who use it right (eg what happened to my site
2 years ago when spammers and scrapers learned to build
gigantic-content sites {with only stolen or redundant content}
my years of building legit sites of the kind they
wanted to mimic the look of no longer reaped the benefits
it should rightly have continued to get from google for
the last 2 years);

so if in a few months you find this post - see if it's
my final post at webmasterworld - if so, u know what 2 do!

[edited by: eelixduppy at 9:58 pm (utc) on Feb. 18, 2009]

zmroberts




msg:716333
 1:44 pm on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ineteresting... I am the original poster adn I did submit my site map. I noticed that after about a two week wait, google has indexed all my pages that were listed in my sitemap. It is strange though because when I search for www.mydomain.com in google, it only brings up my home page with no info or anything. But if I click the link for "Find web pages from the site www.mydomain.com" I get all my pages completely indexed and showing up in the results. So its like my pages have been indexed but not added to the main google search somehow.

ember




msg:716334
 5:54 pm on Sep 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

When we build a new site, we link to it from our existing sites. Then the new site will appear in Google, if we search for its domain, after about a week. Then the internal pages show up about 2 weeks later. Then it is about 6-8 months before the site achieves any kind of page rank or shows up under keywords we are targeting.

zmroberts




msg:716335
 2:05 am on Sep 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

that would work great but this is one of my first sites... anyone want to link to it? Just kidding, kindof.

roadhazard




msg:716336
 7:47 pm on Sep 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

14 months and only achieved inclusion in the poop index which obviously is only being shown maybe max twice a day. I do not know how long the poop index filter lasts, maybe a year. The first entire year, I got ZERO Google search hits in the log. Then, when my site hit 11 months old, I think it was a little under one year old, then suddenly I started to get a couple of G. searches a day in the log. When I look for the search terms the searchers used, my site is NOWHERE in the index. This is how I know my site is in the poop index. At least it is out of the sandbox. Not encouraging, but I will continue to wait it out. The site has a PR3. MAYBE chances for a PR4 next PR update...

zmroberts




msg:716337
 1:27 am on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

so what is the poop index and what is the sandbox?

BillyS




msg:716338
 2:15 am on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

My site has been up for about 1 month and has some useful content.

It was 13 months in the sandbox for me. By that time, I had written around 700 pages of content.

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