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How Long to Get Into Google
Losing Patience
zmroberts




msg:716309
 2:21 pm on Aug 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

My site has been up for about 1 month and has some useful content. I have some backlinks and have submitted my site to various search engines and dmoz. I am only coming up in google when I type www.mydomain.com into the search. Other than that... I can't find myself when I search on anything phrases or keywords or anything in my page. Google also doesn't show that any pages are linking to me which is not true. How long does it usually take to get all this going?

 

danbot




msg:716339
 3:20 am on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

My site is about 2/3 months old. I've been using google sitemaps since the start. For the first few weeks I got about 150 of my 2000 pages indexed. Now google has indexed all my pages and I've had about 10000 googlebot hits this month :S.
Also, backlinks only just appeared but only for links that I set up about a month ago.

Steelbank




msg:716340
 3:37 am on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

How do you check to see how many times the google bot comes do your site?

Natashka




msg:716341
 3:53 am on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

from the stats program. Like awstats, for example.

I wonder if I really need that sitemap thing.. Googlebot visits my site every day. When I put a new page on, the next day it's already in Google and showing up in results. Do I need to bother?

And answering the original question, I had to wait 7 months in the sandbox, my site didn't even show up on it's own name!

kamikaze Optimizer




msg:716342
 3:55 am on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

How do you check to see how many times the google bot comes do your site?

If your site is in PHP, but this in your mainfile, just before the close, or put it on all pages:
include('/home/public_html/bot.php');

Then, make a file called bot.php, put it in your main directory, with this code:
<?php

$botlist = array(
"Teoma",
"alexa",
"froogle",
"inktomi",
"looksmart",
"URL_Spider_SQL",
"Firefly",
"NationalDirectory",
"Ask Jeeves",
"TECNOSEEK",
"InfoSeek",
"WebFindBot",
"girafabot",
"crawler",
"www.galaxy.com",
"Googlebot",
"Scooter",
"Slurp",
"appie",
"FAST",
"WebBug",
"Spade",
"ZyBorg",
"rabaz",
"guppy",
"msnbot");

foreach($botlist as $bot) {

if(ereg($bot, $HTTP_USER_AGENT)) {

if($bot == "Googlebot") {
if (substr($REMOTE_HOST, 0, 11) == "216.239.46.") $bot = "Googlebot Deep Crawl";
elseif (substr($REMOTE_HOST, 0,7) == "64.68.8") $bot = "Google Freshbot";
}
if ($QUERY_STRING!= "") {
$url = "http://" . $SERVER_NAME . $PHP_SELF . "?" . $QUERY_STRING . "";
} else {
$url = "http://" . $SERVER_NAME . $PHP_SELF . "";
}

// settings
$to = "bot@yoursite.com";
$subject = "$bot on $url";
$body = "$bot was deteched on $url\n\n
Date.............: " . date("F j, Y, g:i a") . "
Page.............: " . $url . "
Robot Name.......: " . $HTTP_USER_AGENT . "
Robot Address....: " . $REMOTE_ADDR . "
Robot Host.......: " . $REMOTE_HOST . "
";

mail($to, $subject, $body);

}

}

?>

JNBWebPromotion




msg:716343
 4:02 am on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google likes that you dont submit at all, in fact, Google likes that Googlebot will find your url.

The best and most easiest way is the get links from websites already top ranked in Google, but be sure they are topic related to yours with a proper keyword linktitle as well a small description.

Cheers,
John Bertrand

chopin2256




msg:716344
 7:02 am on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Adwords has nothing to do with Google's natural organic results.

There is no fast way to get into Google (in competitive markets), Google is very unpredictable these days. My year old site got out of the sandbox after 7 months, then recently went back into it after a year. Starting a site from scratch is tricky. However my 10 year old site is loved by Google, and Google spiders the site like crazy. So, age definitely plays a huge factor with Google. However this does not seem to be the case with MSN and Yahoo.

And I'm 100% confident that my site's millions of pages are not spam

Did you review all your site's millions of pages and how old is your site? If your site is new, there is no way that those millions of pages on a subject will be viewed as quality content by Google.

JNBWebPromotion




msg:716345
 7:30 am on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

It's almost impossible to get a high rankings in Google for a newbee website. The age of a site plays a factor here.

Most easy way is to get links from sites already top listed in Google and submit then again to Google, automatically, your site will be indexed as well!

Do not sumit to Google, let Googlebot FIND YOU!

Cheers,
John Bertrand

JNBWebPromotion




msg:716346
 7:33 am on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hello chopin2256,

I totally agree with your comments

Cheers,
John Bertrand

jd01




msg:716347
 8:12 am on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

And I'm 100% confident that my site's millions of pages are not spam.

Classic...

I don't think that Google would keep crawling my site

Think again...

...but even when large quantities got listed, most ended up as Supplemental Results

100's of 1000's of new pages on a single site in a month and they not are spam...

LMAO -- great post -- Good luck with the site maps =)

Justin

SFReader




msg:716348
 12:40 pm on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

> Google likes that you dont submit at all, in fact, Google likes that Googlebot will find your url. <

I have heard this many times, but my experience doesn't reinforce that.

I always use the Google Add URL for new URLs and new sites as soon as there is some content up. The pages are usually available on Google (often with a good possition for KWs) within 48 hours.

I often add the URLS again after significant content change and have never noticed penalties.

Keith

chopin2256




msg:716349
 5:58 pm on Sep 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

@ SFReader

Google likes that you dont submit at all, in fact, Google likes that Googlebot will find your url.

It's not that Google doesn't like that method, it is just not practical. Can you really be bothered submitting every single page when you create it? What if you were that person who added millions of pages! That is alot of pages to be submitting to Google!

Instead, in the long run, obtaining high quality links saves you time, and lets say you add 100 quality articles, Google will find your pages through other links, and put them up (hopefully) in the next few days without you doing any submitting. This really is the best way.

Also, instead of using your time submitting to google, why not use your time for link exchanges?

jwalsh98




msg:716350
 1:26 am on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

is submitting to dmoz the same as submitting to google? and if not where is the submit link url?

Natashka




msg:716351
 1:34 am on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Also, instead of using your time submitting to google, why not use your time for link exchanges?

I would say: "why not WASTE your time for link exchanges". This is such a waste of our useful time IMHO! I hate it. Yes, it will improve your serps, PR etc.. but this concept is so unfair! And manipulated by webmasters. Instead of wasting my time running around begging for link exchanges (or buying links) I would rather spend my time working on content, improving my site etc...

No wonder everybody hires webmasters from India, Philippines, China etc.. to do this "dirty" job for them. Absolutely all webmasters I am dealing with on that "link exchange" stuff are from Asia. All link exchange spam I get also comes from Asia. This is such a shame.

I wish one day this rotten concept dies.

chopin2256




msg:716352
 1:48 am on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

is submitting to dmoz the same as submitting to google? and if not where is the submit link url?

No, Dmoz actually review the links, which is why you probably will never get listed. I wouldn't rely on Dmoz for links.

Submitting to Google may trigger a bot to crawl your page, but this is not necessarily true. Obtaining links probably will never really die, since the goal is to have related sites linked with each other. How will the bots find your site if you are at a dead end?

Yes it can be unfair, which is why Google has algorithms to catch those being unfair. The problem with some of these algorithms is that Google hurts innocent sites, including my 1 year old site.

This is such a waste of our useful time IMHO! I hate it.

This really wasn't Google's idea, to have webmasters trade links. Basically, Google says that if your site is interesting, you will acquire natural links. Assuming that Google doesn't expect every webmaster to use adwords to promote their site, the flaw with this idea is that Google fails to see that not all sites are "established, old or dynamic" and there are lots of sites that do start from scratch. There is no way a new static site can get natural links without asking for link exchanges. No way whatsoever. That site could be very valuable, but will never make it without "link exchange requests" which are necessary for any brand new site, dynamic or not. Alot of people on this forum probably buy domains that are established already, which ideally is the best thing to do, but not everyone has the money to start out with.

jwalsh98




msg:716353
 2:05 am on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Just to be clear... How do you get your link submitted to google? Are you saying that there is no direct url to submit to google? My site is only a month old so I just want to make sure I am on the right track. Thanks for any hints or help.

chopin2256




msg:716354
 2:24 am on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

How do you get your link submitted to google?

Type "add your url" in google and you will find googles page to submit.

And so you know, submitting to Dmoz and Google are both different things. When submitting to Dmoz, you may get listed in a directory. When submitting to Google, that just means you may be spidered. Both are different.

jwalsh98




msg:716355
 2:37 am on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thank you so much. I found it! :D

alexo




msg:716356
 7:52 pm on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Regarding topic of this post:
How Long to Get Into Google
hmm....

tell me pls .. is it possible.

scam site (just like a directory with keywords, with links to the pages that use meta tags of other top ranking site,,,, no other content), which is registered at 26 aug 2005, and of course have 0 PR, use on one of his pages -> my main page meta title, description and keywords and also dislay this information in the body of this page.

on this page is 302 redirect link to my site.

also this site (repeat registered 26 aug 05), is listed in google: "www.thatsite.com" [without quotes], and site:www.thatsite.com give 30 300 result! (the best result i have seen for 15 days registerd site).

now the most interesting.
checking allinurl:www.mysite.com this site is listed on the top!

what is this? hijacking+the best seo (30 k pages listed for 15 days)

alexo




msg:716357
 8:04 pm on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

btw ..it's the 3-4th site which i removing from google database

and all this time, my site is listed at the bottom of page with allinul: or inurl: commands.

so what's to do?
check every day and remove all sites who use this G's glitch and decide to hijack my sites?

i think it will be nice, if G add in his guideless

Dear webmasters please check every day in our database ur site with inurl command and if u check any site, who hijcak ur's one .. pls remove it

imstillatwork




msg:716358
 3:18 am on Sep 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

back to the main question...

I suprised myself this / last week.

built the initial pages of a site (15 pages, about 12 of them article / content pages)

bought the domain name

4 days later, dns finally updated(waited over a day with a wrong entyr.. had to wait an extra two days for propegation).

So site is live. submited to google and put links to my new site on the first page of some other sites. (pr4 and lower)

about 6 days later I could do a site:domainname.com on google and got all 15 pages. not suplemental.

i could not believe it. I have another site that has been suplemetnal for months!

no I need to get visable on serps. step one is finished - get indexed!

imstillatwork




msg:716359
 3:19 am on Sep 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

i can't type good on a laptop. sorry!

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