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Next update......
When is it?
ezyid




msg:719367
 9:50 pm on Aug 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

The last google PR/Backlinks update for my site was well over Two Months ago..

Anyone have any idea when the next one is comming up?

Im just intrested to see if my SEO is good or not...

 

ezyid




msg:719397
 11:05 am on Aug 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Umm sure... but I believe their main rule that I saw posted up in the main office area says:
Iím #1
Why try harder?

And to become staff you must remember the following four lines of text:
$$$$
Money
Cash
Muhahaha

Correct me if im wrong...

Their search is gone completely horrible... the past three years has blowen!
They used to be great till some dishonest people took advantage of the friendly giant!
Now they have retaliated as a revenue gatherer.

I was happy with the old days (Google that is, not the manipulating idiots)

itloc




msg:719398
 12:43 pm on Aug 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

well

Google is working with what i would call "balance" all the time. IMHO their target is to deliver the best possible results AND earning most of it. It's a company and a company has to earn money.

No other search engine company has so much data from different sources to accomplish this task. In my opinion that is the key: different sources of data to weight results.

I can imagine it must be very difficult to take all these adsense deeptrackings, toolbar results, clicks on results for certain keyphrases, topic / word relations and densities into account to tweak the index.

But they are probably able to handle it...

itloc

ezyid




msg:719399
 8:49 pm on Aug 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Sweet, donít get me wrong I like Google but...
I donít agree when they implement systems that take out the people who are "cheating" and it works against the people who try to stay clean, then the "cheaters" are not effected.

I have reported a certain number of sites many times... but nothing ever hapens... I started reporting over Two months ago!

I donít understand why doorway pages or hidden text are not being picked up by Google!
Iím considering doing it myself but thatís just dirty! And I donít really want to but if I have to I may have to rethink my ethics on webdesignÖ

reseller




msg:719400
 9:05 pm on Aug 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

ezyid

>>I donít understand why doorway pages or hidden text are not being picked up by Google!
Iím considering doing it myself but thatís just dirty! And I donít really want to but if I have to I may have to rethink my ethics on webdesign<<

Then our moral and values are not going to be better than Googleīs "ethics" at all.

Search engines come and go. We as webmasters/publishers have been here before Google and shall be here after Google for sure.

Lets keep our moral and ethics high!

nsqlg




msg:719401
 10:38 pm on Aug 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Search engines come and go. We as webmasters/publishers have been here before Google and shall be here after Google for sure.

Lets keep our moral and ethics high!

I agree! Our site is authority before G exists. I like the G, "for free" they give for us a good traffic, we use the AdSense and its search is very useful, but if they want drop/ban our site, I will respect.

texasville




msg:719402
 11:46 pm on Aug 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

funny thing going on right now is all of the page rank predictors are down. enter any site and it is not found. tried two of the predictors. same thing both places.

Rick_M




msg:719403
 1:08 am on Aug 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

I predict the big update will be sometime between now and mid-November. In 2003, the big update (Florida) was in November. In time to catch the peak online shopping season. Last year, the big update started in September (from what I recall) as they introduced their duplicate content filters.

While I don't believe Google is an evil company, I do believe it would be to their advantage to have crappy search results during the peak shopping season. This would increase their revenue in two ways. First, it will increase people clicking on the adwords ads that appear more appropriate. Second, people will have to pay for adwords to promote their sites on Google.

Of course, if the results get too bad, people will go to other search engines for their info. At this time though, in some categories, it almost seems the sponsored listings are better than the natural listings anyway.

Lorel




msg:719404
 1:37 am on Aug 27, 2005 (gmt 0)


All the inflated page counts for my sites that have been in Google's index for the last year seem to have gone away.

Could this "inflated page count" be due to ASP/PHP/et.al causing a inflated page count. I read somewhere lately that it appeared Google was working on this problem.

Re the next PR/Backlink update--the last update was July 14 and Google updates around every 2-3 months, plus it's preference for long holidays so I would guess Labor Day Weekend.

PS there is a website with Page Rank Update List History with list of all updates for Toolbar PR, Directory PR, Backlinks, etc.

dataguy




msg:719405
 2:29 am on Aug 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Could this "inflated page count" be due to ASP/PHP/et.al causing a inflated page count.

Nope. Even sites with all static pages have shown as much as triple the number of pages indexed as the actual pages in the web site....

moftary




msg:719406
 7:07 am on Aug 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

One of my sites was increasing in ranking on all searching engine a day after a day since it was launched in 2003 due to its natural growth, popularity, natural links it gets, etc..

Recently it has became between 50~60 in the top100 in google for its very popular keyword, fighting with the big giants of its industry and niche market, and surviving in the top10 for all remaining money keywords, no SEO fuss or cuss. I believe that this site is a live example for "a good natural listings".

Now it's completely out of the top100 for all its keywords. Ironically it even lost its #1 position for its own name. Yes, that does not affect it by any means as searching engine traffic is a low portion of the traffic it gets, but..

I dont know I am just losing faith in google at all.

Don't I wish! But sadly site: is still showing the hugely inflated page count for my site.

ditto, but that's new for me as I used to have the quality pages on top of [site: ] results. I don't know why dataguy is complaining. Isn't it supposed to be your way? quality pages on top?

Finally, google still insists on using dmoz descriptions along with meta description according to the keyword searched. IMHO, google should not count on dmoz. It has been like two months since I contacted them to change the 2-yrs-old description but no one is there, and I am sure am not the only one.

Is it a good business model to count on a free contributed directory with lazy editors? For me it's the same as websites counting on searching engines traffic, specially those searching engines that are broken *winks*.

Cheers

reseller




msg:719407
 8:55 am on Aug 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi Folks!

At present, the Datacenters look like a big mess. There is really no kind of any order or logic at the serps those junk DCs produce for my testing keyphrases.

The only stable factor I can see is listings #1 and #2. The rest of top 10 have different positions on different DCs.

Congrats Google ;-)

MHes




msg:719408
 9:13 am on Aug 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

>The only stable factor I can see is listings #1 and #2. The rest of top 10 have different positions on different DCs.

That seems sensible to me. If a user returns and does the same search they may well hit a different data centre and get a different choice. There are many relevant sites for the same search term and this gives everyone a potential slice of the cake.

reseller




msg:719409
 9:59 am on Aug 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

And how about this one!

My google.com (64.233.183.99) is showing now the old version of my page (:(

Anybody else noticed the same?

Thank!

ezyid




msg:719410
 11:21 pm on Aug 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google is going nuts on my server today.. update.. coming?

royalelephant




msg:719411
 1:30 am on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Everything is as it should when the Googlologists are all confused. The Google misinformation tech squad might be working overtime again.

reseller




msg:719412
 5:52 am on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi folks

Something for sure is happening through out the datacenters this morning. Maybe an update ;-)

reseller




msg:719413
 6:22 am on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Folks!

You may wish to check your site on these DCs. They are "boiling" at the moment

66.102.11.104
66.102.9.104
216.239.59.105
216.239.59.104

And of course you are most welcome to post a feedback telling us wheather you like what you see ;-)

tigger




msg:719414
 6:37 am on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

just looked at them and they are showing my site in the same place as on the serps I'm sat at 3rd on .com & all those DC's so I'm not seeing anything new

reseller




msg:719415
 6:57 am on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

tigger

>>just looked at them and they are showing my site in the same place as on the serps I'm sat at 3rd on .com & all those DC's so I'm not seeing anything new<<

Lucky you ;-)

btw, This nice lady has just joined the other 4 gorgeous ladies mentioned in my previous post.

216.239.59.99

tigger




msg:719416
 7:08 am on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

trust me I've had many a worrying time over updates just not seeing any changes on those DC's or the one you just posted

willybfriendly




msg:719417
 7:09 am on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

reseller, in my sector the SERPs went through changes about a week ago and are now holding steady.

This is a pattern I have seen for some time now. It is almost as if the rolling updates take place by sector or search terms, and so it is well nigh imposible to pinpoint an update.

On one single word search I went from 11 to as low as 22 to as high as 6 and now have been at #10 for several days. Across a couple hundred multi-word terms that I track I bounced all over the top 10 before settling in at mainly 1's and 2's, where again they have held steady for several days.

Perhaps it is now your sector's turn? Then again, I could be seeing the calm before the storm.

The data centers that you list are all quite similar to what I have seen for the past several days

WBF

reseller




msg:719418
 7:40 am on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

willybfriendly

>>This is a pattern I have seen for some time now. It is almost as if the rolling updates take place by sector or search terms, and so it is well nigh imposible to pinpoint an update. <<

Its a possibility. And you might be right. Thats also might explain why tigger hasnīt noticed changs in his sector too.

FYI, my testing keyphrases are related to marketing and advertising.

tigger




msg:719419
 7:51 am on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm not in that market, mine is well lets say the filters here wouldn't alow me to post LOL

webdude




msg:719420
 2:31 pm on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

I checked these DCs and see no changes in the KWs I monitor.

jakegotmail




msg:719421
 3:46 pm on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Im in the ticket industry and nothing has been changing across the Dc's listed.

reseller




msg:719422
 3:58 pm on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ok. So it seems that changes on the DCs at the moment are taking place within advertising & marketing sectors. Or at least according to my keyphrases which are related to the said sectors.

But does that mean that we in future arenīt going to see "general updates" but only "sector updates". I.e no Allegra and Bourbon anymore ;-)

nsqlg




msg:719423
 4:06 pm on Aug 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

But does that mean that we in future arenīt going to see "general updates" but only "sector updates". I.e no Allegra and Bourbon anymore ;-)

No i guess, maybe is just a manual tweaking of your niche + everflux.

linkjack




msg:719424
 12:27 am on Aug 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Right now if you're cheating you're probably outdoing the clean competition.

I was doing some research for my son, about hiroshima and the recent 60 years thing. There's 2 or 3 casino sites in there about hiroshima.....amazing.

steveb




msg:719425
 12:40 am on Aug 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Not in my top 200. But in any case that city has a racetrack so it isn't an odd down the page result at all.

reseller




msg:719426
 8:30 am on Aug 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

It seems that the Dcs have settled, for now, as far as top #1, #2, #3 and #4 (according to my testing keyphrases related to advertising and marketing).

However, still see several sets of serps on different DC groups.

Conclusion mightbe; Google wish to keep in future a stable sites at the first 4 listings of the serps while the rest shall keep rotating under the motto; every site deserves a 5 minutes of fame ;-)

ScottD




msg:719427
 8:49 am on Aug 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Someone asked how often in our experience the SERPS updates appear to come along.

There is a record of these in various sites and it looks like about every 3 months, which makes us on for the next update now (last one was May) There was also a major PR update about a month ago.

GoogleGuy posted in this discussion that there would probably be a PR / Back Links update between now and December. I have to say I find that a bit vague GoogleGuy. I really apreciate your posts here but that one is not exactly revealing, and was correctly followed by the question - "but what about the SERPS?" Considering that we have had a major PR update recently it is the logical next step, and if I'm not mistaken its part of the cycle Google is following.

Now I will speculate a bit...most business don't change their processes continually but establish a routine or pattern that they follow. Indeed they have certain people who perform certain roles, with certain consequences. So we might for example see a process like this for Google:

1 - review the SERPS looking for weaknesses and abuse
2 - suggest ways to counter-act these
3 - test some results on one datacenter with a modified algorythm
4 - review results and tweak to improve
5 - deep spider to get the latest picture of the web
6 - apply new algorythm universally (major SERPS update)
7 - review results and apply any tweaks
8 - start updating back links
9 - update PR based on back links and page data
10 - release the supposed PR value to the toolbar, knowing that this only tells half the story
11 - start over from 1

Of course theres a question of chickens and eggs, but you get the idea. In my guess this whole process takes about 3 months, although it may be more complicated now that they have to consider the comercial aspects of the results. I bet theres even a monthly meeting about SERPs. What fun that must be.

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