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Adding content too fast
Should I be paranoid about it?
photonstudios




msg:731581
 10:41 pm on Aug 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yeah..so I just bought a site that has been up since 1996, ranking very good in google, PR5. So I'm rebuilding and redesiging the whole site, the existing site has about 75 pages. I have a database of 15,000 products and each product has its name, description, ID, and 1 user review. Should I just add all of those 15,000 pages to the existing site or should I add a few pages per day? I can't afford to get this site penalized which is why I want to take the safest way of improving this site. Thanks.

 

photonstudios




msg:731582
 7:59 am on Aug 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

anyone wanna comment on this? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated :)

Eltiti




msg:731583
 8:06 am on Aug 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

I can't afford to get this site penalized

In that case I would take no chances if I were you, and add just a few (5-10?) pages each day. Perhaps you can start with the products that you think would be most popular/profitable, using some sort of "80/20"-rule?

Obviously, if you want to add 15000 products like that, it would take a while... Another idea that just occurred to me would be to start by adding 5-10 pages per day the first week, then 10-20 the next, then 20-50 per day, etc.

cellularnews




msg:731584
 8:08 am on Aug 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Even if you added all 15,000 pages in one day, Google wont find them "all in one day".

So, google will discover them at its own speed.

I highly doubt that adding all the content at once to an existing site would cause problems.

lufc1955




msg:731585
 8:20 am on Aug 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

There have been threads on this subject before. Some report that they have added many pages without a problem whilst some say they have had problems. In my case I added 1200 new pages and several days later we had gone from the index. This may be coincidence but in future I will only be adding a small number of pages at once.

JuniorOptimizer




msg:731586
 10:31 am on Aug 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

What happens is someone says "Google won't like it"? Will that make you abandon your plans? Is Google the webmaster of your site or are you?

MHes




msg:731587
 11:30 am on Aug 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

>Is Google the webmaster of your site or are you?

If you are doing seo, yes - Google is the webmaster. You have to respect their methods unless you don't care how they rank your site.

I would add pages on a percentage basis. If you have 75 now, add 20% more each week. It will be slow but create a good profile of a growing site.

Pauloogle




msg:731588
 11:31 am on Aug 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

301 permanent redirect the old pages to the new and I think you will be fine.

Eltiti




msg:731589
 12:33 pm on Aug 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

redirect the old pages

I think the key problem is that he wants to add 15K pages to a site that currently only has 75... (Redirecting with a 301 would be the correct if he makes big changes to the structure of the existing site, but I did not think that was the main issue here.)

oddsod




msg:731590
 1:12 pm on Aug 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

As you probably already know the safest option is to proceed slowly. FWIW, this is how I would approach it: I'd add pages slowly at first and keep an eye on the spidering activity to see if it increases. If Googlebot gets busier I'll feel reassured. I'd then get deeplinks to those new pages from other sites and increase the speed at which I'm adding pages to the site. All the while I'll keep getting deeplinks to new pages. I think the speed at which you add pages is determined by the speed at which you can add new deeplinking IBLs (subject, of course, to the bot increasing its activity on your site)

trillianjedi




msg:731591
 1:16 pm on Aug 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

It's definitely going to raise a flag - what we don't know for sure, is if that flag gets inspected by a human, and if the site gets put "on hold" temporarily while that manual inspection happens.

So I would definitely proceed with caution. Exactly where the flag-waving point occurs, is anyone's guess, but logic would dictate that a 1996 site with only 75 pages has already been "catalogued" as a fairly static site.

I wholly subscribe to OddSods theory of supplementing the addition of new pages with inbound links, the deeper the better.

TJ

europeforvisitors




msg:731592
 2:32 pm on Aug 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Also, what exactly are the user reviews? If a human evaluator checked the site, would those reviews pass muster?

I ask because having 15,000 product pages with one user review per page doesn't sound very "organic." From your description, one might easily suspect that the 15,000 product pages were designed more for search engines than for users.

tmoon




msg:731593
 3:14 pm on Aug 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

We had a site with 700 pages shoot up to over 7K pages when we added a bunch of stuff to the db, old site, good pr, thousands of links. It was humming along great until that change, completely dropped from 1K visitors per day from G down to less than 5 overnight. Finally, about two months later, it's now back to about half the traffic it was previously getting, just popped back on one day. Traffic dove on Y and MSN as well even though new pgs got indexed quickly.

When we do it again, I'd definitely try some of the suggestions here, gradually add pgs if possible (easier said than done with db), get deep links to key sections, etc. and hope for the best. Websites get redesigned all the time and often have no choice but to add large amount of new pages, just know that if you do it there's a good chance it could hurt you for awhile but it should eventually take hold after they've been indexed and had a chance to prove their legitimacy.

My main thought is to make sure the pages have real content and are as unique looking as possible (titles, headings, text, etc.). We did this on another site awhile back after fixing a dynamic url nightmare that took it from 25 to over 700 pages, but it had tons of good, long, unique content, and it was ranking on new searches within days, and traffic tripled immediately, then doubled, then 5+ times that after being fully indexed at the end of that first month. No deep links either so who knows. Think a lot depends on your sites history and trust level/rank as well. Anyway, good luck!

BigDave




msg:731594
 4:53 pm on Aug 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Some advantages to gradually adding pages are that you can actually pay some extra attention to those you are adding, optimizing them for both your users and the search engines.

Possibly even giving some thought as to which of those 15,000 products you might want to leave out as inappropriate for this particular site. Too many niche sites try to become Amazon which makes it hard for their customers to find items appropriate for that niche. You don't go to you local bagel shop to buy a laWebmasterWorlder.

JoeHouse




msg:731595
 6:26 pm on Aug 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

While we are on this subject of content and building pages. What is actually the best way to add content to website pages? Article Blogs, CMS system etc....

I am getting different opinions on this and I would like to know what have been your experiences with this.

I hear blogs are the newest seo tool for building and indexing pages quickly.

Thank You in advance for your responses.

europeforvisitors




msg:731596
 6:55 pm on Aug 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

While we are on this subject of content and building pages. What is actually the best way to add content to website pages? Article Blogs, CMS system etc....I hear blogs are the newest seo tool for building and indexing pages quickly.

Instead of thinking about how to get content up quickly, it might be wiser to build content that will have intrinsic value for search engines and users. After all, by the time the average Webmaster has heard about the "newest seo tool," the products of such tools are likely to be in Google's crosshairs.

oddsod




msg:731597
 7:00 pm on Aug 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

EFV, is it the case that large volumes of content have no intrinsic value to either SEs or users unless it has been hand coded and typed up word for word?

BigDave




msg:731598
 8:01 pm on Aug 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

There are good blog programs and bad blog programs, and ways to set up the good programs that get bad results, and ways to set up bad programs to get better results.

The same goes for CMS, shopping carts, and hand coded PHP or HTML.

once you get past the "is it crawler friendly" question, you should be more concerned with whether the functionality matches your need. For example, blogs are not the ideal route to take if you are providing mostly evergreen content.

europeforvisitors




msg:731599
 8:06 pm on Aug 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

EFV, is it the case that large volumes of content have no intrinsic value to either SEs or users unless it has been hand coded and typed up word for word?


Again, it isn't the publishing method, it's the content that matters.

JoeHouse




msg:731600
 8:08 pm on Aug 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

so then, how do you set up a good quality article blog that has both value to Search Engines and the end User?

I need Spider Food, People Food and traffic getter? How do I setup my blog to achieve all of this goals.

I hear all the time that spiders love blogs, how can I setup my blog that will allow me to obtain good serps as well as have value to the end user?

BigDave




msg:731601
 8:25 pm on Aug 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Read here and learn the basics of what the spiders look for. Dry different blogging software, and look at the HTML that it produces, and compare it to what you have learned.

Just having a blog doesn't automatically get you crawled and get you good ranking. You still have to pay attention to the other things that the SE is looking for.

My publically available livejournal blog is a half a year old, and only has one page in the index. It isn't because of any problems with livejournal, it is because my "friends list" is pretty much a closed circle, and we don't do anything to try and get found. You have to produce content that is worth linking to, and get people to link to it.

photonstudios




msg:731602
 10:09 pm on Aug 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thank you for all the suggestions all, I will definetly take it slowly and make every page unique, full of original descriptions and content, then I will build links to those pages and continue growing the site in this way.

JoeHouse




msg:731603
 10:56 pm on Aug 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Why is Google only picking up on my main blog homepage and not my previous articles or archive articles of the blog?

If Google has found the blog homepage on my site why doesn't the spiders come by and pick up the rest of the blog pages?

The blog is only about 3 weeks old but I have noticed other engines have picked up the other blog pages but as of yet google has not.

Is this normal? Should I be worried?

Thanks in advance for your responses.

stinkfoot




msg:731604
 12:33 pm on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

>Thank you for all the suggestions all, I will definetly
>take it slowly and make every page unique, full of
>original descriptions and content, then I will build
>links to those pages and continue growing the site in
>this way.

BEWARE! Was adding 20 unique pages a week to 9 out of 10 sites ... only one site not to be struck off was one with no unqiue information and no added information. All others got a HUGE penatly like number 1 for 4 year for v competative keywords to postion 87 now. Google is not able to take new information. If you have a site that is doing well dont change it or add to it.

This search engine has seriously had its day in my opinion

stinkfoot




msg:731605
 12:34 pm on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

and when are they gonna include a spell checker on thsi site!

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