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Will Google ban article sites
fear to build article site
murugan




msg:806809
 6:58 pm on Aug 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am planning to build one article site, but i am fear that Google may ban it.

Almost all the articles are
1. Free to use
2. Should not alter the contents or links
3. With author info and link

I found that 100's of article sites are using the same set of articles with same title, content, structure, etc.,

Since Google duplicate filter is getting strong (last week several 100's of dmoz clone got banned by Google) I am in fear that google too will ban article sites in coming days.

 

edd1




msg:806810
 8:03 pm on Aug 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

It sounds like you're planning on using duplicate content so you're really answering your own question

Any chance of putting together some unique content, that would put you in a much stronger position. Search engines are supposed to make results useful for the public and it's questionable as to whether there's any benefit to the public of publishing things that are already available.

frup




msg:806811
 8:07 pm on Aug 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

You need to build unique content, you can't syndicate it, and you have to go after people who steal it. Those are the rules of the game today.

Big_Gig




msg:806812
 11:07 pm on Aug 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

How about newsgroup articles? I know of a couple of very large sites that get a lot of traffic that do nothing more than re-post content off of the newsgroups.

It's probably duplicated somewhere... is it still bad?

What about RSS feeds? The rage these days is that RSS enhances SEO... They're definitely duplicated somewhere... is this bad?

frup




msg:806813
 3:09 am on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Duplicate content isn't "bad", it's just that Google works very hard to filter out duplicate content and eventually they'll probably get you, one way or another.

1milehgh80210




msg:806814
 3:45 am on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Some article sites are starting to offer 'pay for exclusive rights articles' now.
I'd probly go that route if I was building an article site.

Anat




msg:806815
 5:17 am on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google doesn't ban sites based on duplicate content. At most, the pages with duplicate content will be penalized and won't get high in the SERP's. Of course, no one knows what Google will do tomorrow...

oliver25




msg:806816
 5:49 am on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)


If u have used duplicate content without permission, it is possible to prove it through the WAYBACK MACHINE and you will be thrown out if the person files a dmca against your site.
Best to be original.

murugan




msg:806817
 7:04 am on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am not going to copy the contents or articles from other sites.

The site i am intend to start is that people can come and post their articles.

Naturally people will submit their articles to many sites like that.

So almost all the article sites will have same content, same title, etc.,

Will google ban such type of sites in coming days?

Since using or cloning DMOZ contents is not illegal (upto my understanding)

Several years people were using it with or without modifications.

But last week lots of dmoz clones were wiped out from google cache.

So article sites are also have same issue.

reseller




msg:806818
 7:43 am on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

murugan

>Will google ban such type of sites in coming days? <

Who knows for sure?

Since 2-3 February 2005 Google has been banning all kind of sites "in an attempt to improve search", with huge collateral damage of innocents sites as a result.

My friend!

Go ahead and create your site if that what you wish and keep quality high.

Good luck.

vincevincevince




msg:806819
 10:11 am on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)


The site i am intend to start is that people can come and post their articles.

Naturally people will submit their articles to many sites like that.

Then my best advice is to insist that articles submitted to the site are not submitted elsewhere. You may get fewer articles, but at least they will be unique.

walkman




msg:806820
 12:41 pm on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

eventually you'll run in trouble with Google, MSFT and Y!, since it's dupe content. Who knows what they'll target 6 months from now. It's a risk you have to live with

reseller




msg:806821
 3:14 pm on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

walkman

>eventually you'll run in trouble with Google, MSFT and Y!, since it's dupe content. Who knows what they'll target 6 months from now. It's a risk you have to live with <

I agree with each word you wrote 100%. But our problem as publishers is that we are no more free to be creative and think new projects anymore of fear and anxiety caused by what Google engineers might ban next time.

europeforvisitors




msg:806822
 4:15 pm on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Since 2-3 February 2005 Google has been banning all kind of sites "in an attempt to improve search", with huge collateral damage of innocents sites as a result.

What does being "innocent" have to do with it? Google's mission is to deliver what Google considers to be the most relevant search results to users. If that means downranking or deleting pages from sites that may be legally "innocent" but don't meet Google's search criteria, so be it. Google has the right to excercise its own editorial judgment, just as we do. (Do you link to any Webmaster in your sector who wants a free link from you, regardless of the Webmaster's content? Would respect a site that did?)

That isn't to say that unexpected "collateral damage" doesn't occur from time to time, but it's a mistake to assume that all removals of "legal" content such as duplicate ODP pages or copies of free articles are collateral damage--or that Google isn't entitled to change its editorial standards as it and the Web continue to evolve.

Personal side rant:

Change happens. Learn to live with it. Back in 2002 and early 2003, Ask Jeeves was my #1 source of referrals. Then something changed at Ask Jeeves, and my AJ referrals went from thousands per day to a maximum of one or two a day. I wasn't happy, but I didn't question AJ's right to determine the best search results for its users.

reseller




msg:806823
 8:15 pm on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

europeforvisitors

Because of your blindly defence of Google, It might be on time to start a new thread:

reseller vs Google (c/o europeforvisitors) ;-)

>What does being "innocent" have to do with it? Google's mission is to deliver what Google considers to be the most relevant search results to users. <

Relevant search results? you must be joking.That was in the good old days. But especially in 2005; Say welcome to shareholders, Adwords and AdSense revenues ;-)

europeforvisitors




msg:806824
 10:16 pm on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm not "blindly defending" Google, I'm just suggesting that Webmasters get over their feelings of entitlement. Just as we get to decide what we link to, Google's search engineers get to decide what they link to. Google, MSN, Yahoo, Ask Jeeves, etc. don't owe any us a listing or a living, so why turn every Google News thread into a b-tch session?

dataguy




msg:806825
 10:53 pm on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

>eventually you'll run in trouble with Google, MSFT and Y!, since it's dupe content. Who knows what they'll target 6 months from now. It's a risk you have to live with <

I agree with each word you wrote 100%. But our problem as publishers is that we are no more free to be creative and think new projects anymore of fear and anxiety caused by what Google engineers might ban next time.

Not free to be creative and use duplicate content? Come on... using duplicate content is at the opposite end of the spectrum from being creative.

reseller




msg:806826
 11:00 pm on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

europeforvisitors

>>Just as we get to decide what we link to, Google's search engineers get to decide what they link to. Google, MSN, Yahoo, Ask Jeeves, etc.<<

But the problem with Google´s engineers is that these folks are changing their minds on whats good and bad as often as new parents Changing disposable diapers.

So instead of Google´s webmaster´s guidelines they should publish:

Guidelines for webmasters: How to changing disposable diapers the Google´s way ;-)

europeforvisitors




msg:806827
 11:34 pm on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

But the problem with Google´s engineers is that these folks are changing their minds on whats good and bad as often as new parents Changing disposable diapers.

The Web changes, so is it surprising that SEs react to change? AdSense "scraper sites" are a good case in point. They didn't even exist a couple of years ago. Now they're everywhere, having achieved a critical mass that's forcing the SEs to take action.

"User review" sites may be next on the list of content types that need culling. Just a few weeks ago, a Webmaster World member asked if he'd get sandboxed if he launched a two-million-page review site before it had real content. What will happen when everyone starts doing that? We'll probably see a purge of "user review sites," with those that don't offer true added value as determined by the search engines disappearing from SE indexes. Some of those review sites' owners will cry foul, objecting that their sites aren't doing anything illegal and deserve places in the SERPs. Others will complain that Google (or Yahoo or MSN) is interfering with their abliity to make a living--to which the search engineers will probably say "too bad," to each other if not in public, because their job is to maintain the integrity and usefulness of their own core product: search.

reseller




msg:806828
 11:54 pm on Aug 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

europeforvisitors

>>AdSense "scraper sites" are a good case in point. They didn't even exist a couple of years ago. Now they're everywhere, having achieved a critical mass that's forcing the SEs to take action.<<

Early morning hours here in Europe and bed is calling.

However I wish you to spend few moments thinking on this one:

- AdSense Team approve scrapers sites as suitable to place AdSense on.

- Google engineers write algos/filters to remove AdSense scrapers.

- Innocent sites suffer as a results of above.

Thoughts ;-)

Goodnight and God bless.

lammert




msg:806829
 11:23 am on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

- AdSense Team approve scrapers sites as suitable to place AdSense on.
- Google engineers write algos/filters to remove AdSense scrapers.
- Innocent sites suffer as a results of above.

AdSense Team and SE Team have different goals.

The AdSense team works for the advertisers. As long as advertisers do not complain about scrapers, there is no need to remove the ads from these sites. There have even been posts on this board that the conversion rate of scrapers for the advertisers is good.

The SE Team however works for the searchers. A scraper site (either scraping SERPs or scraping other content sites) has not much added value because the same content is also available on other more authorative sites (Google SERPs, or original content sites) which makes them a target to be removed.

If those "innocent sites" are suffering, I think it is rather because Google tightened the definition of added value for sites in the SERPs, which is a benefit for the searchers.

Remember that Google has only two groups they owe something. The searchers brought them name recognition in the past and currently the advertisers bring them money. The webmasters whos sites are listed in the index are just there, but do not play an important role, other than taking a percentage of the money when they are AdSense publisher.

idolw




msg:806830
 2:36 pm on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

oliver25, are you sure the WAYBACK MACHINE is enough to start a dmca trial?
We had our content stolen from one of the websites, but no one cared about it when I showed them evidence according to the WAYBACK MACHINE... :(

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