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Sandbox Myth
Reverse sandbox effect
shafaki




msg:718816
 3:34 pm on Aug 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Still people are talking about the 'sandbox' till today! There is not such thing as sandbox any more. In the past, a search engine used to 'penalize' a site for it being new. This kind of 'descrimination' against new sites was the norm and only the older more established sites got the high recognition from Google and others. It has been a while now since Google realized this was hurting its searches and has introduced new tweaks to its ranking algo to counteract this 'descrimination'. Now, new sites actually get kind of a boost once they are first indexed. After an initial test, Google sees if that boost is well deserved or not. If, according to search patterns by searchers, Google finds that indeed the site deserves good ranking, it preserves the ranking and may even increase it with time. If however the site turned out to be a failure as determined by search patterns, then Google dumps it low in its search results after having given it its initial chance.

No more sandbox crap talk again please. New sites actually get a boost in the new ranking algo of Google, but if they are not up to it, they fall deep down in SERPs.

 

shafaki




msg:718906
 9:51 am on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

REPORT him.

texasville




msg:718907
 3:05 pm on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Shafaki-
shouldn't have to report him...google's supposed filters and algorythms should have caught him a long time ago. These are not innovative methods he employs but the simplest. However, this site has been around for several years, listed in dmoz and has the "signals of quality" referred to in other forum. It also directly scraped a government site for it's information content. Mystery to me how google misses all this.

shafaki




msg:718908
 3:43 pm on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

[google.com...]

The more abusers we report, the more Google's algos "automatically" "learn" from such reports by discovering common patterns. Google's strategy has always been to develop fully automated and scalable systems, while benefiting from the human work already present on the web (such as from DMOZ for example). So help their automated systems learn the patterns by submitting the scraper sites.

DaveN




msg:718909
 4:18 pm on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

shafaki, You started this thread saying there is no sandbox... and then take it off topic to become a spam reporting thread ..lol

FYI .. Google does have a sandbox for new sites :)

DaveN

shafaki




msg:718910
 5:34 pm on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

MSN does not :D

texasville




msg:718911
 8:13 pm on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

I agree that google has a sandbox. They as much as admitted it by saying -in the way I refered to it- instead of saying-no such thing. However, it doesn't necessarily apply to new sites. I completely redesigned this site in March. It had been up 10 months but ignored and not a quality site. It completely disappeared after that.

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