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How to tell a website has been penalised.
simple way to check. At least it works for me.
FillDeCube




msg:708689
 10:08 am on Jul 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have used the following method to check my 30 websites and some known penalised websites. It works for me.

How to check -->

search "yourdomain.com" from google with the double quote wrappping your domain name.

If your website is not ranking #1 then your website is somehow penalised by google.

Conditions of my tested websites.
i) Having PR4~5
ii) All more than 2 years old.
iii) No traffic from google at all.
iv) Was ranking high on google.

Does this method works for you?

 

Clint




msg:708690
 12:48 pm on Jul 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

How do you know if your site isn't first that it was penalized, did someone tell you this? Or, do you know for a FACT which of YOUR sites were penalized, and you did this method and your penalized site(s) were not first?

Either way, if you find your site is penalized, how do you know for WHAT it was penalized? I'm sure probably no one can answer that. FTR, my main site and 2 others show first with this method, 2 of my other sites are not first but my MAIN site is 1st and then the other sites themselves are like 3rd in the SERP's (behind my main site because my main site is linked to them, and they are not related).

samwise




msg:708691
 5:47 pm on Jul 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi,

the sites that I think are being penalized don't show up at the top using "mypenalizeddomain.com" while my other domains that are not penalized seemed to show up at the top.

Interesting

kurtpdx




msg:708692
 5:56 pm on Jul 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

I would have to agree with this test. I have what was once a very popular site, that is a PR 7 and PR 6 on most pages, and with that search "mydomain.com" test, it shoes up below a few other sites that simply mention mine.

This site is one that dropped out of the serps on June 16th.

My other sites, with much less PR, show up just fine and they haven't been affected by bourbon.

Nuttakorn




msg:708693
 7:06 pm on Jul 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

You might test for several Google Command for checking your site still in Google Index or not like link:yourwebsite.com , site:yourwebsite.com, cache:yourwebsite.com .

anttiv




msg:708694
 10:11 pm on Jul 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'd say this is a 99% accurate method of checking if you're site has been penalized/filtered somehow.

Remember that even if your domain is visible in the index it might have been put under a penalty for a certain number of months. This usually causes a sudden drop in rankings (from 1st page to 10th etc).

With this test I have been able to confirm that one of my domains came back after a 5 month penalty and another one was just recently penalized. Let's see how many months this time?

Ps. if you cannot find any pages in the Google index it might mean you've been manually removed. Go get a new domain because manual bans are permanent.

kurtpdx




msg:708695
 4:00 am on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

anttiv mentioned that one of his penalized domains returned after 5 months. Has anyone else, who can confirm their domain was penalized, give any other timeframe for when their site recovered, or possibly how long it's been penalized?

My site has been penalized for exactly 1 month, and is still buried around page 10.

lierduh




msg:708696
 9:17 am on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I tried my site with "mysite.com", it turns up number one. I believe my site has been penalised to some degree. I did have duplicated contents and a search for "site:mysite.com" only returns url without descriptions before adding "filter=0".

promis




msg:708697
 12:55 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Maybe someone can throw some light on this:
I use "CheckSpelling on" in my root .htaccess. I also use 301 permanent redirects to direct to the correct urls, misspelled urls from sites linking to my pages using wrong url strings (there are quite a few of these. This is mainly to tell Googlebot which is the correct url. I was paying for a lot of bandwith with Googlebot's spidering of these wtong urls.
With the latest update my site has gone from page 1 SERPS to pages 3 and 4 and it appears it has been penalized. Since the only significant changes I did during the last few months were the above couple of .htaccess modules I wonder if they have anything to do with it. Is it possible that Google doesn't like this sort of thing? By the way, all my pages are indexed but the number of pages shown as indexed by searching "site:mysite.com" appears to be triple the actual number of my pages". My site never had more pages than at present so it's not a matterof old pages indexed.
Would mostly appreciate any insight on this.

twebdonny




msg:708698
 12:57 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Why is it then when you write Google and ask about these
penalties, the response, time and time again is that there is no penalty?

fearlessrick




msg:708699
 1:05 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Checked my site and it showed up 4th. A thread on a WebmasterWorld forum actually showed up above my domain.

I loathe the fact that Google has promoted themselves to the Internet Cop, handing out penalties and such. They really need to be reigned in. Can't some body like the WC3 consortium do something about these a=-holes?

anttiv




msg:708700
 2:28 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I agree. I saw a Google employee's IP address viewing some pages on my domain and around the same time Google traffic dropped and now it's under the filter penalty (which means a 5-10 page drop). The reason for a penalty? No idea.

I don't want to take any of the penalties I get from Googleguys personally but I hate the way they do it:

"Hey look Peter C, this page has Adsense ads and a list of outbound links, let's penalize it."

I know it's their index but a little co-operation with webmasters wouldn't hurt anyone.

Dynamoo




msg:708701
 2:50 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've just been manually penalised for a page in the past couple of days or so.. everything else is fine, just one page.

IMO this is definitely a manual tweak - even though Google claim that they do not do such things.

Petrocelli




msg:708702
 3:22 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

fearlessrick: "Checked my site and it showed up 4th."

Lucky guy! ;-) My penalized site (Bourbon .5 issue on June 16th) shows up on page #4 below 35 sites mentioning, scraping or linking me ...

I really wonder how long such a penalty (most probably for excessive interlinking, which I removed) might last. Anybody?

Cheers

Peter

janethuggard




msg:708703
 3:35 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Checked my site and it showed up 4th. A thread on a WebmasterWorld forum actually showed up above my domain"

That is because:

1. Webmaster World has higher traffic than your site. Higher traffic means more popular, and therefore more worthy of the higher ranking.

2. Webmaster World gets more page views, and therefore is more 'popular'

3. Webmaster World has more longevity than you. Because it has been on the web longer, it has more 'credibility' than you do.

The site is not penalized, and responses from Google saying that the sites are not penalized, are correct.

You have in effect been out seo'd on your domain name. Period.

The test is invalid to the inclusion you have come to.

Jez123




msg:708704
 3:38 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I agree. I saw a Google employee's IP address viewing some pages on my domain and around the same time Google traffic dropped and now it's under the filter penalty (which means a 5-10 page drop). The reason for a penalty? No idea.

I had this, but a couple of months ago, google people manually crawling all over my sites - just at the time when my adsense earning were looking amazingly good for one site (now lost) I assumed they were loking at it because it had a very high CTR (without any cheating whatsoever). I lost one site with Bourbon and one site about a month later. All my other sites were untouched (as far as I can tell as they are quite new and are sandboxed as well.)

One site, the one that was doing well with adsense seems more heavily penalised than the other.

Do you have any hope that the penalty will be removed?

samwise




msg:708705
 3:57 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Are you talking about eval.google.com?

When I check my logs most of this type of traffic seems to be from universities in Texas, Chicago, and Kentucky among others.

What is the Google employee's IP address?

janethuggard




msg:708706
 4:00 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

As long as you think Google is the enemy, and are blaming them for your problems, it will be the enemy, keeping you from focusing on the real problem, you.

When you finally realize the problem is not Google, it is you, and you begin correcting problems, you created, Google will become 'friendly'. Your misdirected focus that Google has 'stuck it to you', is keeping you from finding the real problem.

When we have a failure in the engines, we say "ok. what did WE do now? How are we now non-compliant". That is the correct approach. Misplaced blame is non-productive.

samwise




msg:708707
 4:09 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi janethuggard

"How are we now non-compliant"

Can you tell me more about what you mean by non-compliant?

thanks

430cc




msg:708708
 4:13 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

when searching for "yourdomain.com" are you looking for your index page to be listed or just for any page from your website to be listed in the top spots to determine if a penalty has been issued?

admanbb




msg:708709
 4:13 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I tried that and it worked for me. I have 5 sites that dropped PR from 5 and 6 to PR0. I'm redesigning my sites now without all the interlinking...

Can anyone define the results from cache: and link:
for me?

twist




msg:708710
 4:31 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

"How are we now non-compliant"

I am curious also. I followed all of google's guidelines. They dropped every page from my site except the homepage, then add me to their directory a few days later. How am I supposed to fix a problem if I don't know what the problem is?

anttiv




msg:708711
 4:35 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

The IP I'm seeing a lot is 65.57.245.11. Another IP is 216.127.66.96 but I'm not sure if it's Google related. Check your logs!

I believe Google is the only search engine that manually reviews and penalizes so many websites.

fearlessrick




msg:708712
 5:14 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

1. Webmaster World has higher traffic than your site. Higher traffic means more popular, and therefore more worthy of the higher ranking.

2. Webmaster World gets more page views, and therefore is more 'popular'

3. Webmaster World has more longevity than you. Because it has been on the web longer, it has more 'credibility' than you do.

I don't know about this analysis. That would mean that my stories on thestreet.com and mention in the NY Times would also show up ahead of my own domain. They didn't.

You've put the cart before the horse here, Janet. The number of visits should have nothing to do with RELEVANCE. As for the longevity argument, I established my site in 1999. That's 6 years, and after all, it's MY DOMAIN.

I have a feeling that responding to you is going to be a losing battle, so go ahead and say what you like, but I seriously doubt you've got it all solved.

samwise




msg:708713
 5:47 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi anttiv

It looks like the 65.57.245.11 is for checking adwords?
[webmasterworld.com...]

you may want to look in google itself for other references "65.57.245.11".

I'm not certain as to the 216. ip though. I'll look through my logs and see.

thanks for the info

Kelowna




msg:708714
 6:23 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I just tried searching for some of my sites on google using "mysite.com" and got mixed results. One of my sites that just rose from a pr6 to a pr7 does not show up for this type of search until after the first 8 pages. It does show fine for it's keywords in searches but not for the domain.

Maybe Google just keeps stirring the pot so no one knows for sure what is in the secret mix?

hutcheson




msg:708715
 8:24 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

>Maybe Google just keeps stirring the pot so no one knows for sure what is in the secret mix?

Possibly. I've long thought they HAVE to do SOMETHING like that to maintain any semblance of integrity with their users. Predictability == susceptibility to death-by-a-thousand-spamming-cuts. And with spammers active, susceptibility differs from victimhood by ... a matter of nanoseconds.

ncgimaker




msg:708716
 8:45 pm on Jul 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Webmaster World has higher traffic than your site. Higher traffic means more popular, and therefore more worthy of the higher ranking....(snip)

Webmaster world does indeed have more traffic, is more popular and has been around longer. But his *mention*, (only a single post on the webmasterworld site) hasn't been around longer, doesn't have more views and isn't more popular, therefore isn't worthy of the higher rank, even by your test.

In the same way the search Google Googol Milton Google should come top above all the blogs discussing Google's name.

Use this logic test to understand why:

Suppose Google said tomorrow that they were kidding, that Google was really the name of Page's imaginary pink elephant and they made up the story about Milton and mispelling Googol. That would change the reality of the 'google' name.

Now suppose one of these blogs said they made it up. That would change nothing. Clearly therefore the authority site for that information linking Google to Googol is Google itself.

Yet it comes up buried down at 40+. Its a safe but non-authoritative result set.

MHes




msg:708717
 8:47 am on Jul 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

How to tell a website has been penalised?

Answer: If google delivers more than 3 times the
traffic of yahoo or msn you are probably OK.

phxmichael




msg:708718
 12:27 am on Jul 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Does anyone have any experience removing the penalty and who to contact if so? I check of our site "widgets.com" shows us up at on page 2. All or main keywords are on page 4,5, and 6. Even our domain name search is showing up on page 3.

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