| 2:17 pm on Jul 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|I tried that and it worked for me. I have 5 sites that dropped PR from 5 and 6 to PR0. I'm redesigning my sites now without all the interlinking... |
Admanbb, so did this help you any, and just what is considered "excessive" interlinking? By "interlinking" do you mean sites with the same IP address linking to each other?
| 2:45 pm on Jul 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
is considered "excessive" interlinking?
I honestly don't know, but I had over 9000 web pages with hidden links on almost every page. I guess that would be considered to be spam. (It worked well for a while...:0}
| 3:18 pm on Jul 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Oh my, well I guess that would. ;)
So, the "interlinking", is that links to your other websites on the same IP address?
| 3:50 pm on Jul 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
1. Webmaster World has higher traffic than your site. Higher traffic means more popular, and therefore more worthy of the higher ranking.
2. Webmaster World gets more page views, and therefore is more 'popular'
3. Webmaster World has more longevity than you. Because it has been on the web longer, it has more 'credibility' than you do.
You have in effect been out seo'd on your domain name.
fearlessrick, I would agree with last sentence, but not #1 and 2 - you have been out-SEO'd on your domain by a big site. That has a very high probability - I am guessing for a "keyword.tld" search, as for any other search, the other parameters in formula can outweigh the KW in domain itself.
As far as traffic - traffic can have very little or a lot to do with a particular search, I would guess it is KW-dependent. What I think is more important is whether G$$gle likes your site vs. the other site. WebmasterWorld+G$$gle=Love.
fearlessrick, want to ask moderators to remove your domain from WebmasterWorld and see if this improves SERPs?
| 4:56 pm on Jul 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I think you may be right. However, for one of my websites (comes up 4th) I still have some Google traffic. Around 7% (used to be over 50%). So I guess there are many types of penalties applied by Google. Or some sort of filters.
| 5:20 pm on Jul 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Just wanted to give you guys who do have a penalty on you some light at the end of the tunnel. I had a site that was penalized and was kicked out. Wouldn't even show up in the index.
We worked hard and just keeping focused, building more content, making sure we did everything by the book. I think I sent a re-inclusion request every week.
After about 6 months we are back and doing well.
| 11:32 pm on Jul 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Scott, thanks for sharing your experience. Is your website an affiliate website?
| 11:51 pm on Jul 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
So, the "interlinking", is that links to your other websites on the same IP address?
Only one of my web sites shares a IP address, the others each have a different IP. I think that it was just the quantity of the links and the fact they were hidden (with just a period) at the bottom of almost every page. Plus I have some overstuffed alt tags that are obvously spam. I'm getting rid of all that now (this is an ongoing process since I have over 9000 web pages spread over 12 web sites)
| 12:42 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
My website isn't really your typical affiliate site. I actually build and develop my own ebooks and videos and sell them on my sites. Why sell other peoples products when you can sell your own and keep 100% of the profit : )
Anyway, the site is built similar to the standard affiliate sites out there and made it back after being penalized.
Another quick note: I live in the bay area and have connections in google. If you try hard enough you can get a hold of an engineer and get them to get your site back. No matter what anyone else tells you this can happen! I know!
| 3:59 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
My site comes up about ninth down with the "". I think I got sandboxed about last april when I did a total overhaul of the site. I made every mistake in the book. EVERY mistake. I've got to say that Webmaster World has helped me and educated me. The people here in these forums have provided me so much information, it's like going to school.
Whatever, I pulled some big penalty and i think it was dup content. I did a different design and renamed a lot of pages and just left them in the root folder. All the info on them was the same as the new pages. I thought so long as they weren't in the menu "what harm could it do"?...found out. did redirect and erased the content on them. Still in the sandbox. What's funny is I got listed in a directory that pops me up in the #1 position in google for my keyword phrases. So I am getting traffic from google in an indirect way.
| 4:11 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
My site has not been penalised according to the "mydomain.com", but my traffic from google is getting less and less. I did delete the duplicate content, but nothing changed. Googlebot seems to come to my site everyday.
| 5:17 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I'm afraid I would have to agree with the original premise that sites which do not come up tops under "example.com" are the same ones which have been "penalized" or "dumped" in bourbon. I've just tested over a dozen (some penalized some not) which I am intimately familiar with and the rule works 100% in both directions.
One interesting thing I noticed on one which seems to be penalized since May but SLOWLY (a couple positions/day) starting to move up the ranks, is when trying "www.example.com" (non-www has been forwarded to www) it DOES come up on top in #1 position, but with "example.com" it is down around 10th. You might want to try it both ways and see what you all find.
| 5:48 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Our index/homepage was recently dropped from the Google index and we are not sure why. The other pages of the site show up. If we were dropped for a spammy practice, why would just the homepage be removed?
We do own a couple of sites that link to the main page, but thats about it.
Any insights appreciated.
| 6:24 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
To Scott, thank you for sharing this. I will try to recover my website. :)
| 7:49 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
My Website too is showing on 5th page when I search "mydomain.com". 2 weeks back I have sent a query to google to know whether our site is penalised but haven't got any reply.
Another thing I noticed is that title and description will display for some days and some days only URL will be displayed.
Googlebot cache my Home page on an average once a month.
Am I penalised? Please suggest.
| 12:56 pm on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
You will get the standard reply that you are not
being penalized, guaranteed.
| 1:21 pm on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Admanbb (msg 38), thanks.
| 4:29 pm on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Hey Fillthecube, No problem. I've just heard so many people say that if your site gets penalized to just ditch it and take the loss. You should NOT DO THIS.
If you try hard enough you can make the site come back. If I could do it so can you!
| 4:43 pm on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Scott, where are these re-inclusion requests sent?
| 10:52 pm on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Are you asking what the email addresses are for these? I can give them to you if this is what you are asking
| 11:38 pm on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Just got word (well I suspected it was coming since yesterday) that our domains are BACK to pre Bourbon SERP levels+. At least I hope they stick on ALL data centers. I'm only seeing it from the toolbar searches, and on all DCs on the ole g-dance utility, but NOT on my local data center: 188.8.131.52, so I'm not sure what that means or how to get the IP of my toolbar google. I hope I'm not premature. Although the results are identical on Alexa which is "powered by google" where they started to show up late last night. So you might want to check to see if your penalized sites popped up as well.
Before I get plastered with the "what did you do" thing (because we did a TON of things for 2 months which I couldn't even begin to list from cleaning up G's db with URL console to sitemaps, to keyword reoptimizing our home page), I'll tell what I observed and THINK helped. First and foremost the period from when we first dropped on May 23 till today is EXACTLY 60 DAYS (depending on how you calculate it) and almost nothing SEO has been done to the site in nearly 2 wks. So I'm definitely assuming it was some sort of temporary timed penalty which we could not do much about. I believe it had to do with duplication resulting from either antiquated indexed pages (we did non-www--301->www in March, but we had non-www pages cached Nov 2004! which only showed up when Bourbon started and which we couldn't seem to shake) or a couple odd URLs which G had indexed for our home page which I mentioned some time ago on here: example.com/?sdkhjsd.htm. We also continued to make updates to many of the key pages on a nearly daily basis as previously, and the ranks for a couple dozen top search terms were monitored daily. The ranks on some of the pages bounced around a lot but really started to rise consistantly yesterday or the day before by about 50% (which suggested to me they were ready to pop up). A couple weeks ago we still had about 50 non-www supplemental pages indexed on one domain, but 2 days ago this dropped to 12. The other has remained constant at 3: 2 supplemental and 1 URL only.
Our 2 primary domains reappeared, but two minor ones which still have example.com/ indexed without description are still penalized. We're not complaining.
I'll do my best to answer any questions, but it's still mostly a mystery to me.
Oh yeah, my old boss called and said if it sticks through the weekend the two of us who were laid off can start again on Monday (hmm, he didn't mention if I get a raise or...).
| 12:11 am on Jul 22, 2005 (gmt 0)|
This is a good way to find every link that ever existed to your website. Why exactly does G need to keep all those supplementals in the index after sooooo many years?
| 12:39 am on Jul 22, 2005 (gmt 0)|
google is "dancing" again. Checked the g dance utility again and the www1 shows the old results again (it showed new ones earlier... or are they really pre-bourbon results shown by accident) and the other two are showing the new.. Keeping my fingers crossed.
| 12:42 am on Jul 22, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I can confirm that my site (took the bourbon dive on June 16th) is also back on a few datacenters. Still not all of them, but it's back up to it's previous levels on a few of them... pleeeease stick.
| 1:00 pm on Jul 22, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Are you asking what the email addresses are for these? I can give them to you if this is what you are asking |
Yes, please. :)
| 2:21 am on Jul 23, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Alexandra-" I did delete the duplicate content,"
Hey folks...I just caught this acouple of pages back. Did n't I read in the forums that you shouldn't "delete" the duplicate content in your site? Just do 301 redirects and erase what is in the page? I may have misunderstood what she said but I just did a lot of clean up that way because I thought I understood from the forums that you don't delete pages ever.
Can one of you more well versed people help us out here?
| 12:09 am on Jul 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Not sure if you would describe this as a penalty, but one site I follow (one of my competitors) has suffered a uniform drop in the rankings since last Tuesday. This site had page 1 exposure for a number of terms covering a range of different subjects, but since last Tuesday has suffered a uniform drop to page 4 for all the terms they were previously appearing on page 1. The site has hundreds of pages and different pages from the site would be listed dependent upon the query, so its not just one page that has fallen away, its site wide.
When you undertake the domain search as described earlier in the post, the site is listed on page 3.
I would describe this site as a good site, with lots of unique content and not in anyway spammy or likely to suffer some form of duplicate content penalty. The site has been prominent for as long as I can remember 2 years plus.
Even though the site is a competitor I do realise it is by far the most detailed and comprehensive resource available, I can't compete with it as I'm just a one man operation, until now that is....
It this uniform drop likely to be a penalty? The PR of the site has increased yet its rankings have suffered a cross the board drop.
| 1:32 am on Jul 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
"Not sure if you would describe this as a penalty, but one site I follow (one of my competitors) has suffered a uniform drop in the rankings since last Tuesday. This site had page 1 exposure for a number of terms covering a range of different subjects, but since last Tuesday has suffered a uniform drop to page 4 for all the terms they were previously appearing on page 1. The site has hundreds of pages and different pages from the site would be listed dependent upon the query, so its not just one page that has fallen away, its site wide.
When you undertake the domain search as described earlier in the post, the site is listed on page 3."
That's interesting. A friend of mine suffered a very similar situation last Tuesday. What's the cache date on that site? My friends site usually gets indexed every day with a fresh cache date every day. Now the last time google visited her was July 15.
| 2:03 am on Jul 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I have a question that I would love answered, or even theoried. My main page & Most popular page still have top (#1 , # 2) results for google searches with my top keywords.
BUT, some of my sub-directories are totally gone from the google search.
They were top placed for keywords for the past few years, and I did no major changes. I follow the "good guy" rules, but haven't seen anyone else with this problem.
It happened with the Bourban Update, and those sub-directories contained truly unique content that was 60% of my traffic.
Does Google sometimes sandbox or penalize 3rd level directories on some sites? Its odd given I had fairly significant presence for several years with these pages.
I was reaching over 1,000,000 hits monthly prior to May 21. Now, I'm at about a third of that.
| 4:43 am on Jul 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I've seen sub-directory pages taking a nose dive during Bourbon as well, at least on some sites. Subdirectory index pages that were ranking for several years fell dramatically. In some cases, the domain's home page took the spot, in others only competitor's did.
I suspect it's a side effect of all that Google is doing with canonicalization, and that the current situation will not be permanent. Some very good results (and not just mine) got hurt, or in some cases the user is given a page that is a click away from the real content that answers the query.
| 5:42 am on Jul 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
dawlish, it sounds like you are talking about my site, though I doubt it because all of those you describe happened to me Saturday 16th this month. I really can't explained it and Google does not respond to my emails. A search for site:www.mydomain.com shows a number of more than 3 times as much pages I ever had which is very strange. MSN shows even more "ghost" pages but there it rank tops for almost any keyword I target in my field.
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