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How to Get PR 7 and Higher
How did you get yours? Just curious...
Rollo

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Msg#: 30321 posted 1:02 am on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Has anyone here managed a PR 7 or higher without:

1) Paying in some form (including "expedited directory submissions" or "advertising").

2) Having been online prior to 2000.

3) Being a net, computer, or software architect or developer of some form.

4) An early DMOZ editor.

5) Being a sizeable corporation.

6) Being freinds or or somehow engraciating yourself with 1 - 5.

Just curious...

 

wingslevel

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Msg#: 30321 posted 2:15 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Nope

My biggest site is 1999 and has 1,000's of natural inbound links. It is a high 5 low 6 pr. Problem is that there just aren't natural high pr pages that would link to us. Most of the pages linking to us are very low pr, or they have tons of outbound links on them. Seems to me I could go get another 1,000 of these and not really change my pr much....

kartiksh

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Msg#: 30321 posted 2:38 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

4) An early DMOZ editor.

what does this mean? dmoz editors get more PR? interesting. i don't know this ;-)

Marketing Guy

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Msg#: 30321 posted 3:08 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

A very cynical post is not? ;) You don't consider that some PR7's may simply be sites that people *want* to link to and have not in fact been engineered in some way or simply got lucky? :)

MG

sullen

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Msg#: 30321 posted 3:28 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

yes, I would add:

7)having a really good site, preferably in a popular topic area.

(not that I have one, by the way).

dcrombie

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Msg#: 30321 posted 3:36 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think the PR scale is a bit like the Richter scale [google.com] in that each increment is 10 times harder to reach than the one before ;)

ciml

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Msg#: 30321 posted 3:48 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

> bit like the Richter scale

Yep, both use logarithms.

Rollo, the simple answer is "get lots of links from pages with reasonable PR, or easier get one or more link from high PR pages.

So, the easiest is paying. Get a link from a PR8 page and that'll often result in PR7.

But, Google don't like people buying and selling of links to inflate PageRank so many link sellers who show PR on their pages don't pass any on.

If a site has been online prior to 2000, it might have acquired many links, but then it might not. Over the long term, it helps to have a really good site as sullen says.

Being a developer doesn't make any difference, unless you can run a famous developer community and get lots of links.

Early DMOZ editors might have been able to get into good categories, but people who had good sites easily got into the ODP in the early days anyway.

Sizeable corporations have fame, which can lead to links. The same goes for sizeable academic institutions, governments, charities, sports teams, etc.

Being friends with Web sites who have good PageRank is the key. Whether you swap links, buy links, or just call them and beg - it's the links from pages with high PageRank that give you high PageRank.

PageRank isn't terribly useful to the Web marketer though, unless he needs to be crawled deeper and faster, or he wants to impress potential link partners.

BigDave

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Msg#: 30321 posted 4:15 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yup. 2 sites in high PR6/low PR7 range.

It helps to have something that lots of people consider worth linking to.

Rollo

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Msg#: 30321 posted 4:35 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Helo Marketing Guy - No, it's not cynical. I haven't prejudged the outcome of this little thread in any way... this is just an information gathering mission. I fall into #1 and #6 myself.

An early DMOZ editor - well, a lot of the original editors have high PR cats with their sites (and friends sites) listed and don't allow most high quality sites in... ok, that's cynical, but I think it happens quite a bit. We can strike this one if you'd like.

"7)having a really good site, preferably in a popular topic area." - I want to see how possible it really is, I'm skeptical (though, not cynical ;-)

Marketing Guy

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Msg#: 30321 posted 4:48 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well I'd fall under number 7. ;) But only PR6 just now (long overdue a 7 IMO! :P).

MG

LizardGroupie

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Msg#: 30321 posted 5:16 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

An early DMOZ editor.

What kind of allegation is that?!

DMOZ editorship does NOT provide any benefit to how Google views a website. DMOZ is a high-integrity organization. There are no shennanigans.

theBear

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Msg#: 30321 posted 6:04 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

The correct answer is:

To get more PR you need more inbound links.

End of answer.

Which frequently comes with age and plenty of useful content.

BigDave

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Msg#: 30321 posted 6:18 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Develop some free software. Lots of projects are from PR7 up to PR9.

Provide a resource for libraries or colleges.

Become involved in an online community with high PR members, and give them something good to link to.

Provide a resource that everyone in an industry is willing to link to (an authority site) instead of creating a site that they see as competition.

What it really comes down to, is that if you aren't going to pay your way to the top, your site has to be more than just useful. You have to be useful to a lot of the right people.

ODP links are really nice to get, but if you think about it, if you cannot get to PR7 without ODP, do you really deserve to get PR7 with ODP?

night707

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 30321 posted 7:27 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

The German AOL portal has a PR of 4 www.aol.de and some totally unimportant link collection on a fairly unineteresting South African holiday page has a PR of 6.

At least to me it says. that Google has killed the value and meaning of it`s own PR system.

Hope, that this will get burried soon.

Zygoot

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Msg#: 30321 posted 7:34 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

night707 you're wrong. Aol.de has a higher PR than PR4. Aol.de has PR7 but it redirects you to welcome_m.jsp which only has PR4.

Johan007

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Msg#: 30321 posted 8:44 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hmmmm ok if you want a high PR site provide free stats tracking for users. In then in the noscript tag provide a link to your site.

larryhatch

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Msg#: 30321 posted 9:08 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

It would be much simpler easier if JS had a "Set_PR" function, something like: int SetPR(int);

For example, define a variable Result as an integer, set initially to zero.
Then the syntax would be Result = SetPR(7); (or any desired PR number).
Result would come back with the same number, 7 in this case if successful, or return a zero if not.
You could display 'Result' to see how well it worked.

Alternatively, consider a tag something like: <META NAME="Google_PR" CONTENT="7">
(Google would presumbly retain a secret internal floating-point/decimal value.)

Something similar for DMOZ/ODP inclusions would probably be a boolean (true/false) function:

ODPresult = DMOZ_Include(TRUE) -and/or-
<META NAME="DMOZ_Include" CONTENT="True">

While there are obvious problems with all this, at least its fast, simple and easy.

Must go now. Got a sticky mail from Abidjan. -Larry

Rollo

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Msg#: 30321 posted 10:17 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

To get more PR you need more inbound links.
I wonder, I've seen sites with buku backlnks (they do rank well), but can't break a PR 5. I think developing free software with a backlink is right on target, that would sort of fall into the developer cat.

The natural link question is sort of a perplexing one... How did people find your good content if you weren't already visible and ranking well? I would agrue that even sites with great content need a serious jolt to get somewhere.

trillianjedi

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Msg#: 30321 posted 10:24 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

How did people find your good content if you weren't already visible and ranking well? I would agrue that even sites with great content need a serious jolt to get somewhere.

Having a good product and word of mouth. Viral marketing rocks.

Look at Skype - that site was nowhere for it's key terms until very recently. Good product and viral/alternative marketing.

If you haven't got what it takes to do something cool/unique/different in a competitive arena (and can't afford to do it the naughty way) then pick a less competitive space to work in.

need a serious jolt

Or gimmick...

TJ

BigDave

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Msg#: 30321 posted 10:33 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

How did people find your good content if you weren't already visible and ranking well? I would agrue that even sites with great content need a serious jolt to get somewhere.

Then your thinking is too restricted.

Let's face it, it is fairly easy, if you are active in any sort of web community, for you to get a PR4.

Once you get that PR4, you can rank for at least some not very competitive terms.

Once you are found for those uncompetitive terms, then it is up to your content to get you more natural links.

With more links, you rank better for more terms, getting more referrals and more links.

I think you are making the "money term" mistake of thinking that people only search on a few specific terms. One of my sites gets traffic from over 50k search terms each month. 3 years ago it was 5k.

You also need to think of non-search engine promotion, or even non-promotion of your site. Almost every subject under the sun has a mailing list or forum that covers the subject. If you become a respected member of that community, many of them will start linking to your site.

Natural linking and PR growth is just that, natural. It takes time to grow.

Wizard

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Msg#: 30321 posted 9:37 am on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

In then in the noscript tag provide a link to your site.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd say Google doesn't follow links inside NOSCRIPT tag. I tested it, and pages linked this way were not indexed, so I doubt it passes PR.

<META NAME="Google_PR" CONTENT="7">

Google would like it, you should email them with this idea. It could drastically reduce bandwidth consumed on toolbarqueries.google.com!

uk_webber



 
Msg#: 30321 posted 8:54 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have a PR7 page on one of my sites with NO inbound links. Just lots of useful information for human beings.

Johan007

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 30321 posted 9:00 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd say Google doesn't follow links inside NOSCRIPT tag

Indeed your wrong... the no script tag is full of useful and accessible content. I donít really want PR as I focus more on SERPS but you cant go wrong with my sure fire plan for PR7 to PR9.

ownerrim

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Msg#: 30321 posted 12:05 am on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)


'I have a PR7 page on one of my sites with NO inbound links. Just lots of useful information for human beings."

how's that?

nuevojefe

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Msg#: 30321 posted 12:30 am on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

yes. viral marketing. Creating something obscene.

steveb

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Msg#: 30321 posted 1:09 am on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

"how's that?"

By having a vivid imagination.

ownerrim

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Msg#: 30321 posted 1:21 am on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

"By having a vivid imagination."

I should probably get one. Wonder if ebay is running a google ad for that.

alwaysthinking

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Msg#: 30321 posted 4:36 am on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

I believe PageRank is a much over-rated gauge of a web site's inherent ability to gain relatively dominant web presence, generally speaking, for their desired target markets. After being laid off from my former employer back in 2002, I have been operating what amounts to an "enthusiast web site" in a highly competitive industry (of course, which isn't on the Net) that I THINK (I don't even bother worrying about PR) is a PR4, yet I rank easily in the Top Ten if not the #1 position against some of the biggest corporate sites - That's computer, networking & telecom (phone, cable, wireless & satellite) corporate sites.

I think their Madison Avenue Ad Firms have no clue when it comes to SEO (and I thankfully collect their $$$ from their Adwords ads displayed on my site)... Well I take that back. They know enough about SEO to know that they are not that good and must augment their Net marketing with Adwords/AdSense advertising.

I think this is WIN - WIN situation as the professionals are in essence subsidizing the operation of industry enthusiast web sites, which in turn are attempting to promote interest in their respected industry.

The only problems arise when some people attempt to "game" the system, which I'm afraid includes far too many desperate web publishers currently. However, I believe Google is in the possess (still tweaking) of attempting to remedy this situation, hence much of the belly-aching since the bourbon update. Yes Google squeezed a little too hard with the current "filter," but I'm sure they are also working to better this short-coming too.

Google has always been for fairness... It's just gets harder for them to be "fair" as more publishers become dependent upon the Google marketing system - as that is what their search engine has become since "every ma & pa's" web site has become "monetized." Unfortunately, there is only so much room at the top of the SERPS and many good sites just won't be able to gain the web exposure that the quality of content should "rightfully" earn it. No is Google allow some "lesser" sites rank higher than the corporate sites in a particular market sector, just to give cause for the corporations to purchase AdWords to get their message out? Perhaps... however my "enthusiast web site" has had relatively excellent web presence in Google before they even adopted their contextual ad marketing scheme.

That's why there is PPC - it is a self-perpetuating marketing scheme as long as there are enough interested parties attempting to market their goods & services in a particular sector. HENCE the "built-in" obsolescence of Page Rank - "Corporate Google" needs to generate increasingly more money from PPC advertising to satisfy their shareholders - I don't believe that PR fits into the equation anymore...

Malathi

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 30321 posted 5:46 am on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hello uk_webber

"I have a PR7 page on one of my sites with NO inbound links. Just lots of useful information for human beings. "

Well can you give the url of your site which has the PR7...and can u explain how is it possible to get PR7 without "No Inbound Links".

Thanks
Malathi

kartiksh

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Msg#: 30321 posted 7:15 am on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

DMOZ editorship does NOT provide any benefit to how Google views a website. DMOZ is a high-integrity organization. There are no shennanigans.

Completely agree with above, but this should not be considered as allegation.
What CIML wrote is also true.

Early DMOZ editors might have been able to get into good categories, but people who had good sites easily got into the ODP in the early days anyway.

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