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How to Get PR 7 and Higher
How did you get yours? Just curious...
Rollo




msg:728378
 1:02 am on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Has anyone here managed a PR 7 or higher without:

1) Paying in some form (including "expedited directory submissions" or "advertising").

2) Having been online prior to 2000.

3) Being a net, computer, or software architect or developer of some form.

4) An early DMOZ editor.

5) Being a sizeable corporation.

6) Being freinds or or somehow engraciating yourself with 1 - 5.

Just curious...

 

Wizard




msg:728408
 8:20 am on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd say Google doesn't follow links inside NOSCRIPT tag

Indeed your wrong... the no script tag is full of useful and accessible content. I donít really want PR as I focus more on SERPS but you cant go wrong with my sure fire plan for PR7 to PR9.

I don't doubt it is full of useful content, the same as NOFRAMES tag, but I noticed Googlebot don't follow links inside these tags, unless there was additional reason involved.

uk_webber




msg:728409
 4:22 pm on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

My PR7 with no inward links is simply a very long page of text with lots of images. Without going into too much detail it is a pictorial / written guide aimed at travellers.

The thing is the next highest PR on the site is only 3 (the home page and a few other main pages!). I do get a lot of traffic to the PR7 page which might help though.

One good thing is that if I place a link on the PR7 to one of my new creations it is indexed by yahoo and google within a couple of days - and they come back for more...

Rollo




msg:728410
 5:02 pm on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

I agree that PR doesn't have the effect on SERPS it used to (though it does help your pages get spidered faster)... it's an interesting issue though as PR does still seem to be the key factor when it comes to attracting advertising revenue and link partners. I guess the word hasn't really gotten out yet that PR isn't that important anymore to Google.

I know of quite a few sites that must have something in the area of a million dollars in revenues annually by doing nothing more than selling links (and of course furthering the myth about the continued importance of PR).

steveb




msg:728411
 6:13 pm on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

It's impossible to have a PR7 page without any links to it. Search engines don't even find such orphan pages.

Rollo




msg:728412
 6:35 pm on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

It's impossible to have a PR7 page without any links to it. Search engines don't even find such orphan pages.
This is true... PR is a measure of other sites "votes" for your site expressed via links to it. With no votes (read: links), you'd have no PR.

That said, wrong toolbar PR does seem to show under some odd conditions. Here's a fellow WW member who had the same problem:

[webmasterworld.com...]

I've also read on this board that there is a way to create fake toolbar PR via some redirect scheme, but I don't image this applies here.

In either case, I don't think that would help one get indexed faster or spread PR to new pages, it's a Google bug.

I think all this is sort of getting straying a bit...

Anyone else with a PR 7 or above want to share their experience (rather than just enjoy the spoils in silence)?

TheRookie




msg:728413
 8:27 pm on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

" My PR7 with no inward links is simply a very long page of text with lots of images. Without going into too much detail it is a pictorial / written guide aimed at travellers.

The thing is the next highest PR on the site is only 3 (the home page and a few other main pages!). I do get a lot of traffic to the PR7 page which might help though.

One good thing is that if I place a link on the PR7 to one of my new creations it is indexed by yahoo and google within a couple of days - and they come back for more..."

And how do you get traffic to the PR7 page with no in-bound links?

Something doesn't add up here.

steveb




msg:728414
 10:27 pm on Jul 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think uk webber is just confused by what an inbound link is.

Of course the page could have spoofed PR, but then it isn't a "PR7" anymore than an Edsel with "BMW" painted on its hood is a BMW.

uk_webber




msg:728415
 8:50 am on Jul 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

"I think uk webber is just confused by what an inbound link is."

Don't patronise me mate. I get a lot of traffic because it is so high in the serps for many phrases.!"

oddsod




msg:728416
 8:58 am on Jul 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

uk_webber, we don't doubt that you get traffic, but that has very little relation to your page's PR. As far as we are all aware you get PR from links - the PR of the linking page and the number of outbounds being factors in how much of PR it passes to you. And that's the only way you get PR.

From the beginning of PR we have only ever had that explanation i.e. you get PR from links. If the page has no IBLs then, by definition, it has no PR (except spoofed - but then why would you spoof a 7 when you can do a 10? It's not to sell ad space and still look credible is it? ;)). If you have a PR7 page with no IBLs then either we must all revise our views of how PR is distributed or we'll have to assume there's nothing in your claim.

Possibilities:

1. I hate to be er, patronising but when you say you have no IBLs do you mean no IBLs in a Google link: search?

2. It could be that you link to that page from tens of thousands of low PR pages elsewhere on the same site. And that this is the only page on this site with that many links.

3. You had one or two high PR IBLs that have now been pulled and the page will show a PR0 on the next PR update.

rfgdxm1




msg:728417
 1:46 pm on Jul 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

>If you have a PR7 page with no IBLs then either we must all revise our views of how PR is distributed or we'll have to assume there's nothing in your claim.

Note there is the possibility of some kind of Google glitch. With Google indexing billions of pages, it wouldn't surprise me that every now and then one accidentally gets assigned an unusually high PR.

Fryman




msg:728418
 9:29 pm on Jul 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

DMOZ is a high-integrity organization. There are no shennanigans.

hahahahahahahahaha

Thanks for the laugh, I needed it

steveb




msg:728419
 10:20 pm on Jul 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Don't patronise me mate"

I didn't. You don't appear to know what an inbound link is. You are saying a page that has no links to it has been
1) found by Google's bots, by some miracle
2) assigned a random PR
3) gets search traffic, despite having zero anchor text of any kind
4) despite the fact that the page magically gets this traffic, you have chosen to not link to it in any way, ever

It's nonsense.

(FYI... the google link command is worthless... links from your own pages are inbound links and count for PR)

Frederic1




msg:728420
 2:24 am on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

ROLLO said ...
I agree that PR doesn't have the effect on SERPS it used to (though it does help your pages get spidered faster). I guess the word hasn't really gotten out yet that PR isn't that important anymore to Google.
_______________

PR is one factor among several others used by the algorythm of Google to sort de SERPS. However I think it's an important one. What has made the success of Google is that it gives more importance to the sites which have many sites that link to it. Most of those sites have a high PR.

kurtpdx




msg:728421
 4:49 am on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well one of my internal pages just got to PR 7, yay! Still sucking wind from the bourbon bash though.

RichTC




msg:728422
 7:43 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Steveb

Would like to ask you something as im interested in your view. Im not expert on PR

Q. Our site features in DmOZ and a number of other places and so has links to it. The home page is a PR6 and various pages off it loads are 5s,4s etc, etc.

If we keep building quality pages on the site that get ranked as say PR5s, would a volume of quality pages on the site push the home page to say a PR7 or can a pr7 only be obtained by getting PR8s etc linking to it?.

I ask this because i get frustrated that a newspaper group site with a PR8 can start a poor designed website, link to it from its parent site and it gets a PR7 rating yet its a bag of nails. Meanwhile im working my row out building content and not getting the same status

Your thoughts apreciated

Cheers

Wizard




msg:728423
 7:44 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)


<META NAME="Google_PR" CONTENT="7">
<META NAME="DMOZ_Include" CONTENT="True">

I found it so cool that I included it in one of my sites - giving the true information, of course. I hope Google guidelines checkers have enough sense of humour to not ban the site for it :))

webmgr




msg:728424
 8:03 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

DMOZ is a high-integrity organization. There are no shennanigans.

Fryman - I second that one! lmao!

steveb




msg:728425
 8:24 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

RichTC, if your main page starts as a PR6, and you get no links to internal pages, there is nothing you can do with your internal linking to make you a PR7 (unless you were right on the cusp but we'll ignore that for now).

You do have the ability to pass along the PR effect of a PR6 page, but basically making some PR5 pages, then linking to your PR6 page from them, this is a fairly small benefit that is dwarfed by the ability of a PR8 to spit out PR7s whenever it wants.

RichTC




msg:728426
 11:10 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Cheers Steve,

Ive been linking pages back to the home and from the home to sections so understand where your coming from regarding passing PR to internal pages. Many internal pages are PR5 on the site.

So to jump to a PR7 i need to find a PR8 site to link to my home page then or how many links from PR6 sites do you think i would need to equal the same?

Rich

Coop99




msg:728427
 11:48 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

"So to jump to a PR7 i need to find a PR8 site to link to my home page then or how many links from PR6 sites do you think i would need to equal the same?"

Finding PR8 or 7 would be the easiest way in my opinion, even several PR8's 7's that link to you.

PR is based on many many factors and most sites are different and unique anyway. To GUESS how many PR6 sites it would take to get YOUR unique site to the 7 or 8 position would be nearly impossible. There is nothing to compare you to unless there is an exact mirror of your site out there that has PR7, in that case just do what you did to that one!

Rollo




msg:728428
 2:43 am on Jul 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

What has made the success of Google is that it gives more importance to the sites which have many sites that link to it. Most of those sites have a high PR.

I agree that PR was a brilliant concept that revolutionized (not to mention having created untold billionaries). However, once webmasters learned how to manipulate it, Google began to steadily devalue its importance. Now it's not uncommon to see PR7s and PR8s being outranked ranked by a PR3. I didn't notice a lot of this in the old days. Anyone with a couple grand to spend can get a PR 7 now... Google knows it and has made their adjustments.

angsuman




msg:728429
 7:18 am on Jul 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

> DMOZ is a high-integrity organization.

That is not true. I have been for years trying to get my main blog site into DMOZ. My older and now kept only for archival purposes blog is still there, incorporated during the early days of DMOZ. But my new sites never got in despite following all their rules and checking every 6 months as they say. It is a PR 6 on home page with many 6 and 5 pages below, referenced by several A-list bloggers, quoted in magazines etc. But no that is not good enough for DMOZ.

I even offered them to replace my old site with the new one without effect.

How can I think DMOZ is a high integrity organization. Frankly I think there are quite some bad apples thriving there and serving their own and their friends interest. That DMOZ editors are not held accountable for their decisions and can be successfully appealed perpetuates these travesties.

I even applied for being an editor which was denied. I can assure you I have more than enough qualifications to be a DMOZ editor for the categories I proposed :)

I also noticed that very new sites (started this year) from network bloggers got included there immediately.

> DMOZ editorship does NOT provide any benefit to how Google views a website.

That is not true either. DMOZ'ed sites definitely rank much higher than others with comparable situations because DMOZ is replicated by several sites. Having links from DMOZ ensures several high quality links (including DMOZ) and sure several not so high quality links too, but lots of links overall.

I know I have been harsh above but this is the truth and anything gentler wouldn't do justice to the situation. Frankly I think DMOZ is rapidly losing its utility as a reliable reference.

oddsod




msg:728430
 7:46 am on Jul 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

> DMOZ is a high-integrity organization.

That is not true. I have been for years trying to get my main blog site into DMOZ.

I agree with your point that it's going downhill.... but not for the reasons you offer i.e. because it didn't list you. ;)

Frankly I think DMOZ is rapidly losing its utility as a reliable reference.

Agreed, again. It's a pain that it still feeds some directories, but hopefully that'll change.

I met someone here a long time ago who once used DMOZ to search for something. I think he was the only one. Since he died I don't think they found a replacement.

[edited by: oddsod at 7:49 am (utc) on July 17, 2005]

Webmeister




msg:728431
 7:48 am on Jul 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

uk_webber,

It's impossible to have a PR7 without any backlinks. If you want anyone here to believe you, then post the URL to your PR7 web page.

I am not surprised that you have bailed on this thread without backing up your claim. As the other posters have stated - what you have boasted is impossible.

Nice try!

angsuman




msg:728432
 1:58 pm on Jul 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

@ oddsod
True, I did provide a single instance of what I realized was improper behavior. But I have a feeling I am not alone in this. Objectively when I look back at the incidents I can clearly realize what is going on.

DMOZ is bound to be a failure unlike other collaborate efforts because there is no coherent feedback loop. For example in Linux development a contributors quality is assessed by the quality of the patches he submits. By consistently submitting high quality of work he gets more and more responsibility.

In DMOZ the editors are not judged for their quality and non-partisan behavior. However the submitters are harshly judged if they submit too often. What incentive do the editors have to behave honestly?

True you can report abuse by editors. Have anyone seen anything come out of it?

Also DMOZ is clearly inadequate to cope up with the high volume of growth of the web. It was a good solution 5 years back, now it is a fossil IMHO.

How can you ensure the quality of content in such scenario?

angsuman




msg:728433
 2:42 pm on Jul 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

@oddsod
You got me thinking. You brought up an excellent point. Nobody these days searches DMOZ. I can't remember when I last searched DMOZ either. Their unique value is in their directory structure as was Yahoo's in the old days. However after Google gained prominence I don't remember anytime I browsed dmoz structure. It seems search is the primary means of finding information these days.

I know there is some value in contextual information. However we rarely seem to use it these days.

I wonder if the whole directory business is going the way of dodo.

Wish you a happy weekend.

BTW: Sorry to others for hijacking the PR 7 thread.
I guess I will realize the great value of PR 7+ once I get it somewhere on my site :)

twist




msg:728434
 2:51 pm on Jul 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

From page one
"7)having a really good site, preferably in a popular topic area." - I want to see how possible it really is, I'm skeptical (though, not cynical ;-)

"The best page in the universe" has a PR7

vincevincevince




msg:728435
 2:54 pm on Jul 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

<META NAME="Google_PR" CONTENT="7">

And just like that - the #1 secret of the SEO business is put into the public domain.

g1smd




msg:728436
 6:57 pm on Jul 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

PR 7 ... only check it once per year ... only your number "2" is correct (1997).

Nuttakorn




msg:728437
 7:04 pm on Jul 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

You might need to promote your website through other media to make your website well known. If your website has already well known to the industry, the website which is same industry will be linked to your website automatically or recommend those successful link.

Rollo




msg:728438
 10:10 pm on Jul 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

And just like that - the #1 secret of the SEO business is put into the public domain.

Could you ellaborate on that?

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