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Preferences at 10 Results per Page Produces Duplication
Results differ according to results/page selection.
Talar




msg:704323
 7:06 pm on Jul 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

When selecting 10 results/page there is more duplication of websites than when selecting 100 results/page. At 100 results/page, any pages from within the same website are grouped together but at 10 results/page, pages from within the same website are repeated as a separate result on a different position (several results away from other pages from the same website).

 

DerekH




msg:704324
 12:32 am on Jul 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, that's right. That's the behaviour you'd expect.

Is it a problem to you?
DerekH

Talar




msg:704325
 6:31 pm on Jul 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes. The Preferences page offers to display different number of results/page, however it doesn’t indicate that the results themselves will also be in a different order. As we know the order (relevancy) of results is one of the main reasons a user chooses a search engine.

Why would the results be in a different order according to the page size? The 100 results/page makes sense since pages from within the same website are grouped together, however listing them separately (and not even close together) makes you see the same website several times at different positions. What is the logic of that?

Also, when a webmaster wants to know their website position, they have to check it at different page sizes.

directrix




msg:704326
 10:26 pm on Jul 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I wonder how many people (ordinary people -- not webmasters!) ever change their results per page from the default of 10? I would guess less than 20%, maybe even less than 10%. So, from that perspective, it may not be worth worrying too much about discrepancies in the results caused by varying the page size.

Talar




msg:704327
 7:08 pm on Jul 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I wonder how many people (ordinary people -- not webmasters!) ever change their results per page from the default of 10? I would guess less than 20%, maybe even less than 10%. So, from that perspective, it may not be worth worrying too much about discrepancies in the results caused by varying the page size.

I agree, however the problem is that the duplicate results appear using the default 10 results/page, and pushes the other websites down. If you are the lucky one to be listed more than once, great, otherwise duplicate results are pushing you down the list.

BillyS




msg:704328
 11:48 am on Jul 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, that's right. That's the behaviour you'd expect.

Obviously it's not the behavior he would expect. It really make no sense at all. That is, I could argue why it's right and why it's wrong to change the results.

PCInk




msg:704329
 12:09 pm on Jul 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Each website appears once (together - one listing, plus one indented listing) per PAGE of display.

If you show 10 results, the next PAGE can show the same website again.

When you show 100 results, the same website will only appear once on the results PAGE. So a website that originally appeared in positions 5/6 and 17/18, will now have their second result pushed back when you change to 100 results per page, so that they may now get the result 5/6 and 100/101.

That is how it used to work!

Talar




msg:704330
 12:15 am on Jul 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Each website appears once (together - one listing, plus one indented listing) per PAGE of display

That is not the behavior that is displayed. At 10 results/page, each website appears once together with the indented listing (which is just another page of the same website) as you correctly indicated. However, at 100 results/page each website appears once, however not always together with the indented listing.

Sometimes the indented listing (the one that was indented at 10 results/page) appears several positions lower as a completely separate (non-indented) result. As a result, the position of a particular website (counting each result, indented or not, as a single result, which is how Google does it) can be #17 at 10 results/page and #25 at 100 results/page. This behavior only happens when there are indented results.

When you show 100 results, the same website will only appear once on the results PAGE

That is not correct. Maybe you are confusing “website” with “webpage”. At 100 results/page, the website that appeared on one page together with its indented extra webpage, often (but not always) appears as two separate, non-indented, not-together, not even in succession, results.

Here is an imaginary example. At 10 results/page you may see on one page:

Widget 1
widget.com/1.html

Widget 2
widget.com/2.html

Then at 100 results/page you may see one page:

Widget 1
widget.com/1.html

Superwidget
superwidget.com

Widget 2
widget.com/2.html

So now you are seeing the same website twice on a page.

So a website that originally appeared in positions 5/6 and 17/18

I’ve never seen a website listed twice with indented results as two separate results even on different pages. Are you sure this is possible?

will now have their second result pushed back when you change to 100 results per page, so that they may now get the result 5/6 and 100/101

But then you would have the same website listed on result 5/6 and 100 on the same page. Wouldn’t it have to be 101/102 instead?

Talar




msg:704331
 12:21 am on Jul 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

The indentation didn’t show in my previous example so I’ve simulated indentation below:

Widget 1
widget.com/1.html

--indent-- Widget 2
--indent-- widget.com/2.html

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