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Changing title and meta description will effect page rank?
Changing title and meta description will effect page rank?
ramachandra




msg:738629
 7:44 am on Jun 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

One of my site has got page rank of 2 for most the pages but my site is nowhere in search results for my kw. Cache date is showing April 2005.

I want to change the title, description pertaining to keywords.

Now my question is if I change the title, description for all the pages will page rank get affected.

Thanks

 

robotsdobetter




msg:738630
 3:06 am on Jun 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

The Page Rank will not be effected by changing the title or Meta tags. Page Rank is calculated by backlinks and not on-page factors.

Clint




msg:738631
 3:23 am on Jun 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>The Page Rank will not be effected by changing the title or Meta tags. Page Rank is calculated by backlinks and not on-page factors. <<<

I often wondered about that. Do you know that for a fact? Does that mean that the more that link to you, the higher your PR will be?
Thanks.

acac




msg:738632
 6:25 am on Jun 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

I don't know what is happening. I have my index site with a PR 5 and many of sub sites with PR 6. The only thing I did was make a slight change to page title, previously it was name of the blog followed by the subject of the post, now it is the reverse.

Today I observed my main site page reduced in ranking by 1. And all the topic specific pages reduced their PR from 6 to zero!

What is happening here? Any clues...

hutcheson




msg:738633
 6:48 am on Jun 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

What we have here is a clear case of coincidence.

Google pagerank doesn't change instantaneously -- the real effect of changes kicks in weeks or months after the fact.

And it isn't affected by on-page content at all -- just the pattern (and possibly history) of links to the site.

aris1970




msg:738634
 7:55 am on Jun 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Just to confirm that everything said by hutcheson is absolutely correct.

Clint




msg:738635
 11:28 am on Jun 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Can anyone chime in on this please?

>>>The Page Rank will not be effected by changing the title or Meta tags. Page Rank is calculated by backlinks and not on-page factors. <<<

I often wondered about that. Do you know that for a fact? Does that mean that the more that link to you, the higher your PR will be?
Thanks.

stuartc1




msg:738636
 11:34 am on Jun 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

In reference stating that pr is only based on backlinks and not related to page factors -

Well this is mostly true, but keep in mind that pr can be effected by page factor - i.e. filters. For example if you have a spammy site packed full of keywords and perhaps duplicate content - then backlinks will not be the only factor in pr - in this case the pr will most probably be reduced due to the page factors!

Correct me if this is not the case.

In my opinion - yes, title tags are very important (but most probably will not effect pr directly) - hence the bold on them in search results! and even meta description is sometimes used. Keywords probably not so important on most search engines these days though.

ramachandra




msg:738637
 11:43 am on Jun 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks robotsdobetter,

Being all my pages with PR2, my site is nowhere in SERPs.

Can you please clarify another doubt, changing the title, Meta desc and Meta kw as per seo rules, increase my SERPs or should I concentrate only on building good backlinks and wait for bots to crawl my website.

Thanks

bye

Rollo




msg:738638
 1:13 pm on Jun 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

PR won't be effected becuase PR comes from inbound links, not on-page content, however your SERPs will be effected on way or the other.

VikramLashkari




msg:738639
 1:17 pm on Jun 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

hi rollo,

>>>PR won't be effected becuase PR comes from inbound links, not on-page content, however your SERPs will be effected on way or the other.

r u sure that inbound links have higher impact on PR?

Marketing Guy




msg:738640
 1:33 pm on Jun 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

PageRank (the little green bar) is soley affected by inbound links. The green bar on the toolbar updates roughly every 3 or 4 months.

Actual PageRank is updated more frequently in the background - toolbar just takes more time to catch up and reflect the changes.

The only way on page optimisation can affect your PageRank is if some of the sites who link to you get penalised, causing a reduction in the inbound PR to your site.

Your page ranking (ie it's positioning in the results pages) is affected by many factors including PageRank (PR), title tags, etc etc etc.

I often wondered about that. Do you know that for a fact? Does that mean that the more that link to you, the higher your PR will be?

Yes. It's not a set figure like 10 sites = PR1, 20 sites = PR2, but that's the basic concept; the more sites that link to you, the higher your PR will be.

Also keep in mind that the PR of a page linking to you affects how much PR your page receives from it. So 10 PR5 links are better than 10 PR1 links.

Today I observed my main site page reduced in ranking by 1. And all the topic specific pages reduced their PR from 6 to zero!

What is happening here? Any clues...

Could be a number of things. Possible penalty. Possible URL changes at your end.

just the pattern (and possibly history) of links to the site

While pattern and history of links can and most likely are factors in ranking, I don't think they affect PageRank.

Can you please clarify another doubt, changing the title, Meta desc and Meta kw as per seo rules, increase my SERPs or should I concentrate only on building good backlinks and wait for bots to crawl my website.

If it's a new site, then it could be sandboxed, which is a whole other issue.

> Increase my SERPs

Think you have misunderstood something. SERPs = Search Engine Results Pages - you don't have a lot of control over those! ;)

Build quality (non spammy) backlinks at a consistant rate (ie not all at once), add new content - don't tinker with your site until it's ranking for key terms.

r u sure that inbound links have higher impact on PR?

Yes. Inbound links are the only thing that impact PR (directly).

I think some people here are confusing PageRank (PR - the little green bar) with page ranking (your position in the SERPs for a keyword) - the two are not the same.

MG

Panacea




msg:738641
 2:24 pm on Jun 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Changing title and meta description will NOT effect page rank

Rollo




msg:738642
 5:52 pm on Jun 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

r u sure that inbound links have higher impact on PR?
Yep, not just a higher impact... the only impact.
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